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Fire Emblem Warriors devs on characters and handling of reveals, designs, story, systems, modes

Posted on October 21, 2017 by (@NE_Brian) in New Nintendo 3DS, News, Switch

Leading up to the launch of Fire Emblem Warriors, Nintendo Dream published monthly interviews with the development team. In its most recent issue, the Japanese magazine had its biggest discussion yet. Producer Yosuke Hayashi and director Hiroya Usuda were brought back once again in addition to artist Yuta Matsunaga to talk about Fire Emblem Warriors, with the two being interviewed a few weeks before release (and just prior to the Tokyo Game Show).

Hayashi and Usuda had a ton to say about all aspects of Fire Emblem Warriors. There was more talk about certain characters in the game and the handling of their reveals (including why Azura wasn’t on the initial roster), some of the troubles encountered with designs, approach to the story (light spoilers here), gameplay systems, and different modes.

If you’re interested in Fire Emblem Warriors, you’ll likely want to read our full translation below. Just strap yourselves in, since it’s a long one.

Lyn’s addition, and her action that uses dual swords

ND: On this issue’s cover, the only Shadow Dragon character is Marth though!

(everybody laughs)

Hayashi: But isn’t Lyn right there?!

ND: It’s indeed so, but even one week before release you still haven’t announced any Shadow Dragon characters, so that was unexpected (laughs).

Usuda: That’s why people had been saying ‘Awakening-Fates Warriors’ (laughs).

Hayashi: We’ve been watching those reactions from the workplace, and some even proposed, “Wouldn’t it be better if we announce more characters in bigger batches?” But I wanted [people] to enjoy the relentless information reveals. All of the trailer video announcements for this game are constructed in a way to hype up new character reveals, but it’s also because we want [people] to enjoy the announcements themselves.

ND: So you have such an intention.

Hayashi: Since we want [people] to enjoy the character announcements themselves, even on the last month before release, we decided to announce new playable characters in a wave. Ultimately we’re going to announce a number of characters at the Tokyo Game Show (TGS), so it didn’t quite match up with the timing for this issue.

ND: If we could move the publishing date by just one day!

Usuda: TGS should be ongoing right now, so I hope you’ll get to check the new information from there.

ND: And speaking of surprises, it’s about Lyn which you just mentioned now. She was announced during the Nintendo Direct, but why did you have Lyn as the character announced there?

Hayashi: Nintendo Direct being shown simultaneously worldwide is the big factor. Even so, the first Fire Emblem to be released overseas was GBA’s Blazing Blade, in which Lyn was one of the protagonists. So Lyn is to foreigners as Marth is to the Japanese (TN: In term of the most memorable Fire Emblem character).

ND: Is that why you added her in here?

Hayashi: Yes. While we were in a meeting deciding characters with Nintendo and Intelligent Systems, there were talks of “Please put in Lyn”. However, for the GBA-era characters, we wanted to create them properly including their stories, so this time we’re only adding Lyn, and if this [title] has a future, we hope we can feature them with including stories.

ND: So how did you make Lyn?

Matsunaga: Lyn has had illustrations drawn by a lot of people until now, so it was hectic for us on which [illustration] to use as a basis, and to balance that with [other] designs for this game. However, Nintendo and Intelligent Systems showed us not only the planning pictures of the original work, but also 3D data from Super Smash Bros.

ND: The Assist Trophy?

Matsunaga: Yes. Of course this game doesn’t use physicques from Super Smash Bros., but we felt like we were shown one of the correct [portrayals], so it was a big factor.

ND: And this time, Lyn is using a dual-wielding style. Is this because you want to emphasize the action more than [her portrayal in] the original work?

Usuda: That’s right. Even so, there are already a lot of sword characters, so we thought to add some variations with a dual-wielding style. Lyn just happened to fit the bill since she has two swords: Sol Katti and Mani Katti, so we proposed that to Intelligent Systems.

ND: But the Outrealm Lyn that appeared in Awakening also did use a dual-wielding style.

Usuda: Because there’s that illustration from Awakening, it might be very possible to give her the dual-wield setup. Even so, if she dual-wields all the time it would feel rather off, so she mainly uses a single sword with only using the second sword occasionally. By doing that, we distinguished her from the other characters.

Fates’ siblings have been decided to be added from the beginning

ND: We’d like to look back to the prior character announcements. You announced four characters from Fates at Gamescom 2017 in Germany.

Usuda: At the time of that announcement we understand that the four characters Hinoka, Takumi, Camilla, and Leo have high popularity, but the reverberations at that time were great since finally the Fates team was being shown.

ND: Is there a reason on why you announced Sakura and Elise at a later date?

Hayashi: We wanted to make character reveals to be entertaining, so we intentionally did it [that way].

ND: You’d make the fans impatient with such a way to omit just the younger sisters.

Usuda: At first there were talks to make separate announcements for Hoshido and Nohr, but I personally put a stop to that approach.

ND: Why did you do that?

Usuda: Because if we revealed everyone from Hoshido first, nobody would think “Nohr isn’t coming as well”! (laughs)

Hayashi: Although we wanted [people] to enjoy the character reveals, it wouldn’t feel right if they already know what the next revealed characters would be.

Usuda: In that case, we had a set of the two elder sisters and two younger brothers, and Sakura and Elise would move behind them.

Hayashi: When the younger sisters weren’t revealed yet, we heard voices from anguished people like “why didn’t you include those two people!?”, but we rather enjoyed those kinds of comments.

ND: So please tell us the details on how these siblings, together with Ryoma and Marks/Xander, became playable… though we didn’t really need to hear about that.

(everybody laughs)

Usuda: No matter what you think, they’re essential. I want you to imagine, for example if Ryoma, Hinoka, and Takumi were to appear, but Sakura did not. The story in Fire Emblem Warriors here is about them getting lost in a different world. If only Sakura didn’t appear here, the rest of the siblings would definitely worry about her. Even if [the protagonist] were to ask them “Our world is in danger, so please help us”, the siblings didn’t know that Sakura didn’t come to this world, so they would first think to find her. In that case… the story wouldn’t progress at all (laughs)

(everybody laughs)

Usuda: It’s impossible to not complete all the siblings. That’s why from the start of development, eight character slots were already fixed.

Hayashi: There were times when we contemplated to remove someone, but all the staff just happened to be playing Fates at that time, so the opinions clashed greatly which made it just impossible (laughs). I married Hinoka so there’s no way she would be removed! And when I tried saying “Maybe remove Takumi?” someone would rebut with “Why would you remove a highly popular character!?” Such talks came about with pretty much every character.

ND: Nintendo Dream used to hold a popularity poll where Takumi earned first place.

Hayashi: And you made a book about Takumi to commemorate that, right? We have a lot of copies of that book at our workplace. Well, I’m glad we didn’t remove him (laughs).

(everybody laughs)

Hayashi: Everyone has their own fond memories, so soon nobody would talk about removing someone anymore.

ND: By the way, why did you set Elise and Sakura’s weapons to magic book and bow respectively?

Usuda: These two are the same as Lissa; they’re originally staff characters, but staff is only for healing so they can’t be used [as weapons]. In that case, we had them use the weapons on their promoted classes.

ND: So it’s the same way of thinking as Lissa using an axe with her War Cleric class.

Usuda: That’s right. There were also talks to have them appear with their promoted classes from the beginning, but we prioritized character looks first. If the protagonist were to meet Lissa the first time [with that famous cutscene], when they open their eyes to see a War Cleric Lissa, it would feel off.

Hayashi: And [people] would also wonder why only Lissa has a promoted class (laughs).

ND: How were the details on you getting to decide on Kamui/Corrin?

Usuda: On treating Fates as a title, if Kamui/Corrin weren’t added then the titles would get split to Birthright and Conquest. So Corrin is essential to group them all into the Fates title.

ND: Was there no choice for Aqua/Azura?

Hayashi: We first wanted to put her in, but during the character decision we had too many slots for Fates. At this rate it would really end up becoming an Awakening-Fates Warriors, so although it was a hard decision, when we lined up the eight siblings with Kamui/Corrin and Aqua/Azura, we decided to omit Azura. It can’t be helped for this time.

Usuda: We keep saying “It can’t be helped for this time” so that we can persuade even ourselves (laughs).

ND: I see, but we can fathom that. If you count male and female Kamui/Corrin separately, you already have ten characters coming from Fates.

Usuda: Since we think Avatars must be able to change genders, Male Corrin is also essential.

ND: Matsunaga-san, did you have any occasions on sharing your character wishlists [in the team]?

Matsunaga: I occasionally whispered to Usuda “I do want Aqua/Azura to be in.”

Usuda: Yeah, and I answered with “I also want her to be in too.” (laughs)

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  • AquaBat
  • Vigilante_blade

    “Usuda: That’s why people had been saying ‘Awakening-Fates Warriors’ (laughs).”

    We still do.

    “Hayashi: Yes. While we were in a meeting deciding characters with Nintendo and Intelligent Systems, there were talks of “Please put in Lyn”. However, for the GBA-era characters, we wanted to create them properly including their stories, so this time we’re only adding Lyn, and if this [title] has a future, we hope we can feature them with including stories.”

    Make a sequelt hat features GBA and GC era, and I will buy it. However, as it stands, I refuse to give you a single penny.

    Classic games are being kept for a hypothetical sequel tha tmay never happen. I am not okay with this. The only logical thing they said is that Lyn is essentially North America’s Marth.

    • Fandangle

      Holding more popular and more well revered characters for a sequel is probably one of the single worst things they could have done. They’re blatantly blackmailing older fans into buying this so they can make a sequel that we can “POSSIBLY!” get all those characters we want.

      • AquaBat

        At least this interview completely demolished the “B-B-BUT THEY COULD BE DLC” defense

        • Fandangle

          That was demolished a long time ago when fans translated the interview from the japanese guide that essentially confirmed that all DLC from this point will hold this game’s “canon” above all else with the implication that we’re only getting SD, IF, and Awakening characters. The Devs of this game really need to just be shut up already.

          • SomeUser

            WOW LOL

        • Vigilante_blade

          Yeah… I was of
          So tired if hearing that.

      • KnickKnackMyWack

        lol More popular? The characters represented in this game are from the games that saved the franchise and have sold the most hands down.

        • Fandangle

          They didn’t save the franchise, they casualized it so the lowest common denominator could play it. Ike got the most votes out of any character on the Character poll if you include both his iterations and even with just one he got significantly more than ANY character in Fates and only got beat by Lucina and Lyn. He placed TWICE on the male’s voting list in first and fifth place.

          The only reason FE was “failing” in the west because NoA has a history of mucking franchises that they don’t like and IS has a history mucking up games in general. Like did you know that 8-4 the translator nintendo repeatedly works with out of what I can ONLY assume nepotism, made anyone playing an easy mode save file in POR unable to carry over their save? Did you know they’ve repeatedly been lowering the dificulty in games because the translators personally found it too hard? Despite the massive success of the Kaga era games nintendo never made an effort to translate any of the games. AND THEN when IS decides to make one of the WORST GAMES IN THE FRANCHISE that we now call Shadow Dragon, a game that is pretty much universally hated for how obtuse it is but keeps getting representation despite it, NoA wastes effort on translating it, but you know what they didn’t translate? 12, New Mystery of the Emblem, which was well received, but it was after the trash heap that was Shadow Dragon. And lets go back to 9 and 10 for a second because NoA did them an INCREDIBLE disservice by releasing them in intentionally low qualities to the point that RD was going for 70 dollars soon after release because it was just hard to find in general. See when you release a only 3 copies, you can only sell 3 copies. And then as for Roy, they also weren’t even going to include him or Marth in smash, they were actively trying to remove content from a game because they didn’t want to bother giving people a possible excuse to ask for a translation of a game they apparently didn’t like. The series only had low sales in the west because NoA had been sabotaging the franchise since the beginning.

          FE wasn’t failing. FE was just going through a rough patch because IS and NoA repeatedly flubbing up everything about the franchise. I don’t believe the “If you don’t sell more we’re axing it” excuse at all. Niche companies like Falcom and Xseed and Marvolous make bank on sales that are regularly worse than FE’s with games that are more impressive and less waifu baity(In the case of Falcom at leas, god knows Senran Kagura is waifu baity but there is also the Story of Season/Harvest moon, Rune factory, and the popolocrois series to consider as well.) I think it was more that they didn’t know what to do because Kaga left, sales were tanking because they took a REALLY bad turn with the franchise and decided to remake the first game and make it unimaginably worse instead of continuing the EXCELLENT line they had going with 9 and 10, and I think they made Awakening as a cheap way to gain sales by including so many features from previous games, without the proper dramatic context.

          The FE series post Kaga is rife with situations where IS and NOA just repeatedly mismanage things. Even the inclusion of characters from 13 and 14 is suspect because recent rumors about a junior employee being fast tracked to a position she didn’t deserve, starting as a character designer and then promoting to a main sceario writer and then to series producer. She openly admits to not liking any of the games she didn’t work on. She’s the reason the map design in Awakening and Hoshido is just so bad and the reason the characters in both versions of Fates were so overpowered. She’s probably the reason FEW was so over saturated with characters from her games.

          tl;dr: NoA hates Fire Emblem and RPGs outside of Mario and Pokemon in general. They’ve been actively trying to kill the franchise starting with Smash. IS has borked more than one franchise and after the FE series creator left they didn’t know what to do with the franchise and once they hit their stride they completely bork it up by going back to imitating Kaga instead of sticking with the BRILLIANT formula they found with 9/10. They’re punishing the fans for their own mistakes.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            They didn’t save the franchise, they casualized it so the lowest common denominator could play it.

            Yes they did. FE Awakening was a huge success but was slated to be the last. And they did not casualize it. The perma-death option was never removed. It was an option and options are never bad.

            They’ve been actively trying to kill the franchise starting with Smash.

            Sounds a lot more like you’re just upset at where the franchise has gone. Which is fine, I suppose. But don’t make things up.

          • Fandangle

            They did casualize it though. They introduced Casual mode and easy mode, which is something that used to be for western regions only. Then they introduced Phoenix mode so even an 8 year old could play it.

            And I can already see your “B-but they’re optional!” argument coming a mile away. Unforgiving dificulty and perma death were a part of Fire Emblem since it’s inception. You take that away and you’ve got just another bad Waifu SRPG series that there is a thousand and one of already. They brought back several elements from older games for the sole reason that they could corrupt them into fanservice mechanics. and then the writing went down the toilet and became anime tropes by the dozen. Long gone were interesting character interactions and motivations. Now you have characters that are so forgetable other character’s can’t see them! How quirky!

            They cannibalized their older games to make the series into something it’s not. I know a lot of older fans that would rather the series died with 12 than for 13 to have ever existed purely based on the amount of cancer that it brought into the fanbase.

            It was an option and options are never bad.

            I’m going to resist the urge on providing examples where they are bad and just stick to the context of the situation here. Options are not bad most of the time. When it’s actually pertinent to making the experience more enjoyable. The QoL stuff they added were something I really like Awakening for. The UI alone is pretty amazing. The problem is though, they’re not transitioning slowly. They thrust this game out, making it with the sole intention of saving one of their only remaining franchises that was about to get axed because their own mismanagement, they made it casual, they made it fanservicey, they added cute girls and the ability to make babies with them. They made this game without any thought to the original fanbase who had happily been supporting them when they weren’t mucking up the series with idiotic decisions like remaking 1 and trying desperately to copy the Kaga era of FE games.

            The options themselves are not the bad thing, is what I’m trying to say, it’s the people these options attract. Like, why would you put the option to farm crops in Metroid? Think of a hypothetical situation where this happened (I know it’s ridiculous but it gets my point across) and the metroid game sold amazingly well. Metroid fans would get nothing out of it. All it does is attract people who are into farming simulators to Metroid. they’d inevitably interpret this that they should make a farming focused metroid game and pretty soon Metroid is now exclusively pandering to the Farming Sim crowd and the old fans are left constantly on the edge, wondering if they’re ever going to get a decent follow up that actually has the things the older games had.

            Awakening was casualized and they added casual elements. It attracted casual fans. Those casual fans don’t care about anything but Waifus, baby making mechanics, and casual mode and those things are not fire emblem. Sure, FE has had those things before, but the marriage mechanics have always served a purpose. Geneology used generational units to tell a story. Awakening used them to sell units, Fates didn’t even try to hide the fact that it was dumb fanservice. Awakening is such a shift in everything in FE, it’s like a knockoff FE game where it has elements of the series but it is no where near the quality of the original and the only thing it focuses on is just dumb fanservice.

            But don’t make things up.

            I’m not. They were actively looking to remove Roy and Marth from the game, they have been messing with the games to be easier since it was first released, they have bungled every marketing oppertunity imaginable, and they intentionally released low quantities of PoR and RD in the west and with as little marketing as they could get away with and most of that was just bad.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            Unforgiving dificulty and perma death were a part of Fire Emblem since it’s inception.

            Huh. Explains why it sold like crap.

          • Fandangle

            Yeah, it’s a niche series that isn’t meant for mass audiences. It became crap when it tried to break out of that niche.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            Spoken like a true hipster.

          • Fandangle

            No, pretty sure hipsters only enjoy things ironically and the only reason they claim to like something is because they want to be more unique. I’ve already said why I like FE as well.

            Weren’t you getting onto me for flinging insults earlier?

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            It wasn’t meant to be an insult, just an observation.

          • Fandangle

            Except it wasn’t an observation at all really.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Not to mention that if you tally the votes of the two Ikes, he is the number 1 character.

          • Morian

            What if…Fire Emblem doesn’t sell because the market think is not that good?
            “No Morian, you’re wrong, that’s impossible! It is the marketing, yeah, that is!”
            Bwahaha, to this day Miyamoto is blaming the marketing department for Virtual Boy’s failure. The denial is real.
            Also, IS it’s not that ambitious. As the majority of Nintendo devs they only want to make whatever they want. Damn that market! They say.
            What’s FE’s job? As a first-party title it is to sell the hardware. But apparently Nintendo see it as third-party title. They only care if the game is capable to sell itself. Awakening mission? Growing the FE market, the same for Heroes, they didn’t care for hardware momentum. Fates, Echoes and Warriors? Milking the market, so that they can continue to do what they love. But to this day, it’s still a niche game.
            “FE wasn’t failing. FE was just going through a rough patch because IS and NoA repeatedly flubbing up everything about the franchise.” Even in Japan the games flopped.
            ” the BRILLIANT formula they found with 9/10″ Are you for real? The Tellius saga is a flop. Some of the copies I found IRL were really cheap. Only us, the crazy internet people, bought those games in high prices. I suspect the high prices became to be a thing after Awakening. Even Shadow Dragon’s value raised after that! It’s crazy.

          • Fandangle

            FE didn’t sell well because it was niche, it was hard, and it wasn’t incredibly japanese like many other games were. It didn’t pander, it set out to make a great game with a decent, serviceable story with unique and interesting characters. It also didn’t sell well because bad marketing. I gave you every reason why it was failing to sell in japan, and the reason it wasn’t selling in america. If you can think of a better reason than “The market didn’t think it was good!” then I’m all ears, but seriously. That’s a really idiotic excuse. You’re speaking about an opinion on a huge demographic of people just unanimously deciding the same thing, and that falls a part when you realize a majority of people probably never heard of it before BECAUSE the attrocious marketing it had in the west.

            Also, IS it’s not that ambitious. As the majority of Nintendo devs they
            only want to make whatever they want. Damn that market! They say.

            I never said they were that ambitious. However They’ve pretty much cancelled advance wars after they completely bungled it’s last game. Pushmo may be dead. Paper Mario went to trash and I’m pretty sure it’s on life support. Codename steam died before it could even have a chance to shine. They’re the kings of mismanaging their own games.

            What’s FE’s job?

            Be a god game.

            As a first-party title it is to sell the hardware.

            Except no. You’re thinking like a suit. Thinking like that is complete and utter cancer. This is the kind of thinking that gets you mobile mario games where you pay per jump, cancerous DLC that costs more than the actual game, Microtransactions, and EA tier levels of out of touch. And I do so much hate it when people use arguments like this, you’re essentially telling nintendo “We don’t care about good games! Use our blind fanboyism and nostalgia to milk us for all it’s worth!”. A game’s priority isn’t to sell whatever system’s it’s on. A game’s priority should be to be about fun and be about delivering quality content to the player.

            But apparently Nintendo see it as third-party title. They only care if the game is capable to sell itself. Awakening mission? Growing the FE market, the same for Heroes, they didn’t care for hardware momentum. Fates, Echoes and Warriors? Milking the market, so that they can continue to do what they love. But to this day, it’s still a niche game.

            Growing the market is a double edged sword. Awakening grew the market but it also introduced it to people who thought it was about Waifus, marriage, and having babies with waifus.

            The problem with this is that FE had a fanbase that was happy to support it when they weren’t abusing the stuffing out of it. Just look at the sales of the series. There is a HUGE uptake in sales in games that were followed up by a great installment. And then you get to Shadow Dragon which sold a lot, then it drops off with New Mystery of the Emblem. but It still wasn’t the lowest point of the series.

            See you can say it “saved” the franchise all you want but in reality all it did was introduce it to a new group of people that don’t have the same interests as the original fans. Instead of expanding it to contain people with similar interests they expanded it to contain lowest common denominator players who only play games for story and don’t care about things the original fans liked, like the non standard characters and believable character motivations, the grand war plotlines, the hard and unforgiving gameplay. All of that either replaced or downgraded to make room for people who could care less about any game before awakening. It introduced it to the waifu crowd and the casual gamers, which is the problem here. This in and of itself isn’t bad but they did it in a way that actively encouraged and invited them and they’re still actively pandering to them while leaving everyone else in the dust. They’re not generating an interest in their franchise, they’re essentially building a brand new one while parading it around as Fire Emblem.

            Are you for real? The Tellius saga is a flop. Some of the copies I found IRL were really cheap. Only us, the crazy internet people, bought those games in high prices. I suspect the high prices became to be a thing after Awakening. Even Shadow Dragon’s value raised after that! It’s crazy.

            I’d love to live in your reality. I’ve literally been looking for a complete copy of RD for YEARS because I stupidly thought that it would go down in price after launch. The first time I ever saw it in retail at gamestop it was a used copy going for 70 bucks and this was before Shadow Dragon was even a thing. The Tellius games weren’t a flop either, the fact that you say this makes me think you came in with Awakening with the bull excuse “Low sales!” when the series wasn’t experiencing low sales 12 sold horrendously because 11 was just THAT bad of a game. They did well enough in japan, with RD being massively praised and selling fairly well. The problem was at this point Nintendo was relying on international audiences and NoA has repeatedly pushed anything vaguely resembling a non-mario, non-pokemon RPG off to the side because they have a stupid bias against them. I also wouldn’t be surprised if there was some backdoor dealings with gamestop as well considering all the shadiness that went on with Xenoblade.

            And your assumption that “Awakening made them popular” completely falls a part because copies of Shadow Dragon on DS are dirt cheap. 7 and 8 are also not as horribly over priced as them as well. Though that could also mean that they flooded the market with copies of Shadow Dragon so they could report low sales percentages and say “America doesn’t care about these games.” and I wouldn’t put it past NoA to do something like that. But to further the evidence of bad marketing they never capitalized on any of RD’s or PoR’s marketing either. They simply released them with little fanfare. You can see how much NoA really cared about Radiant Dawn selling well through the commercial they released for it where it’s set piece is two kids mindlessly staring at the screen with grand music playing in the background. PoR at least used the cutscenes in the game to give a general idea of it. There’s also the huge tonal shift between 7’s marketing and 8, 9, and 10’s.

            I can only assume NOA literally just wanted the series to die so they wouldn’t have to deal with it anymore. Either that or they’re just completely horrible at managing anything that isn’t aimed at literal children.

        • Vigilante_blade

          Ike, Roy and Hector are in fact far more popular than any character in Fates and Awakening except Lucina. Furthermore, things have changed… Heroes has rendered some classic characters more popular. Ninian crushed both Corrins easily ib the gauntlet votes. It wasn’t even a challenge. I think exposure to classic characters is changing public oppinion.

          • Teclis

            Next you’re going to tell us you’ll riot if your classic characters are not in the new FE game in some way.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Nah, why would I?

          • Teclis

            Oh no wait, it’d be that if the new game doesn’t somehow feel like a carbon copy of one of the older games that are much beloved to you, like Fates and Awakening.

          • Vigilante_blade

            No need honestly. It just needa to improve its story and depth in some ways.

          • Teclis

            And you expect me to believe that, when you’ve rammed on Robin, Kamui and many of the other characters, saying only Arthur was even anywhere near good? Now that’s comedy right there.

          • Vigilante_blade

            I mean, Robin has nothing on Soren, a dumb tactician that relies on emotion instead of logic. Corrin… Can’t be defended. He is outrageously stupid.

          • Teclis

            And yet people took a liking to them. I found Robin to be charismatic and full of life. I’ve red about Soren and he came across as grim-dark, not my kind of thing.

            Different people, different perspectives, but the way of the world dictates that not everyone can have their piece.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Dude, don’t spoil yourself! That game needs to be played. IMO, Soren is more than you let on. He is written masterfully.

            Valentia actually has a comoetent story and likeable characters… Unlike… This.

          • Fore

            How would you know, considering you’ve not bought this game, and hence not played it? Also you THINK he’s written masterfully, what if I don’t agree?

          • Vigilante_blade

            Watching videos and let’s plays can at least tell you that.

          • Vigilante_blade

            He is written quite well. He has a lot of depth and internal motivations.

          • Fore

            You realize that’s a matter of opinion and perspective, I hope. Nothing is “objectively” well written with a lot of depth. Some people find it so, others take a different stance.

          • Vigilante_blade

            There are actually objective mesures of “competent” writing. Structure is a big thing.

          • Fore

            But everyone has a different way of looking at it. Competent writing or not, Soren comes across as a gray-dark character to me, and I’d rather have Robin who is much more colourful so to speak.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Soren is a dark character, certainly. But he also has extrenely funny and witty lines. He also grows and changes through the story. Sadly though, you can only tell through actually playing the game.

          • Fore

            And these games are nearly unobtainable without questionable means. Nintendo could’ve made these easily accessible, but they haven’t. That’s why I’d say it’s best to leave things in the past, because Nintendo and IS have full control over all these things, and I’m pretty sure they’ve closed the chapter of old FE, save for Echoes remakes.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Unlike you, I don’t give in so easily. No amount of you asking me to stop will make me. Give it up.

          • Fore

            Unlike you, I know when to quit, I know when my efforts are futile. Sometimes, we can’t get a win out of it with pure persistence, sometimes, we just have to accept change, and that’s what this is: change.

            I have fond memories of franchises that now have changed to the extent of no longer being great for me. I’ve accepted that it’s the way of it, and moved on, as many people do, and as I’m sure a great many people would agree with me is the best way of handling such things.

            There are so many games and franchises in this world, Vigilante. Surely there’s something that can replace Fire Emblem for you, if not right now, perhaps later on.

          • Vigilante_blade

            I am no coward. I lost Smash and Paper Mario. I am not giving up.

          • Fore

            You see it as coward, but it’s not that black and white. Look at the whole loot-box situation that’s currently going on in gaming. Massive outcry on all ends, but the press goes on. The move continues, no matter who or what tries to stop them.

            In some instances, it’s too late. I doubt we’ll see any change. Why? because for every few people who scream against them, is an army of people who silently just buy the products anyway, undermining all their efforts and having them look like screaming children.

          • Vigilante_blade

            I only really see a typical Sword Art Online Kirito protagonist in Robin. I much prefer deeper characters.

          • Fore

            And for some people, that typical Sword Art Online Kirito is just fine, or perhaps more preferable than a Soren. Can you understand that?

          • Vigilante_blade

            Then again, most people never played his games. I think Soren would be a fan favourite. He already is, and his games are considered obscure.

          • Fore

            And yet you can’t help but spin it into your point than just give an argument, it’s just who you are.

          • Vigilante_blade

            I just prefer Soren over Robin. Robin is a harem manga protagonist, so just not my type.

          • Fore

            “In my opinion, Robin is a harem manga protagonist, so just not my type.” Fixed that for you.

            In my opinion, Soren is a grim-dark anti-social strategist. I find that, locking off the emotions the way he does belies the inherent struggle that it is to be a strategist, weighing lives in one scale, and victory in another.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Soren is actually quite sensitive and quite kind. Your assessement is innacurate

          • Fore

            Opinions, it’s MY OPINION or am I not allowed to have one?

          • Vigilante_blade

            You are. But it doesn’t change the fact that Awakening is written like a slice of life episodic show and Fates has zero story cohesion.

            Robin doesn’t actually do what tacticians do: “devise tactics”. He uses the “power of friendship” as part of his plans. Soren plans by examining the battlefield, making informed predictions, and carefully asessing situations. If my life was on the line… i would trust Soren far more.

          • Hao Nguyen

            And that’s your opinion too Vigilante, stop trying so hard to make it a fact lmao.

          • Vigilante_blade

            I think we can all be pretty sure that Awakening’s story is… Simple, for lack of a better term.

          • Reggie

            You’re better off ignoring him, or even blocking him if you have to. The guy cannot be reasoned or argued with. He’s far too arrogant and self-entitled to respect other people’s preferences that he’ll twist words to suit him. He only responds to get a ruse out of people. If he didn’t seriously believe in all the crud he says, I would have said he’s a troll. At most an attention grabber.

      • Tlink7

        You can’t expect them to make a sequel if the first game sells like crap

        • Vigilante_blade

          E.g. “please buy a game you do not want on the off change of getting the game you want”. I am nit that much of a gambler.

          • Teclis

            If such a game eventually comes to pass with those classics you hunger for so much, and it sells far less than FE:W, I will rub that into your face until the end of time.

            Maybe then you’ll learn to give things a rest.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Don’t waste my time, please.

          • Teclis

            You already do so yourself, by constantly posting in articles like these, the same tired old tat over and over.

          • Vigilante_blade

            I mean, aren’t you the one nagging me right now? Learn to let go, bud.

          • Teclis

            How about this, you let go and I will, or neither of us will, and we’ll just continue this until a mod steps in and banishes us both.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Nope, I value my freedom of speech far too much.

          • Teclis

            You know what? I’ll take my dignity and leave you to your pointless crusade.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Thanks.

          • Tlink7

            Oh I’m not saying you should buy Fire Emblem Warriors, because it doesn’t offer what you need. I am merely highlighting that fans like you are in a bit of a pickle, because you have to hope KT’s game sells well for even a chance of your other characters to appear it seems

          • Vigilante_blade

            It is a bit of a nasty conundrum. Either way, we lose. This hostage situation is not good.

          • Tlink7

            It isn’t. If the Switch FE is anything like Fates, I’m gonna cry

          • Fore

            But you’ll not exactly lose sleep over it either, are you? When I consider this whole fan-part A vs fan-part B internal war, I’d like to see FE Switch bomb and FE end entirely.

          • Tlink7

            Nah, this ”war” is really just a very tiny of group of people shouting at another very tiny group of people. Make the next FE like Awakening and I’m happy

          • Fore

            Amen to that my friend. I’ll take another Awakening any day of the week.

            The silent majority votes for the newer games with sales, and that’s where the development eyes will go. Sure, it sucks for the guys who want the old-style of games, but things change.

          • Tlink7

            https://i.imgur.com/LwEWwmG.gif

            Can’t wait to catch a glimpse of the Switch FE

          • Fore

            Let’s hope it’ll be good, whiners and complainers aside because hell knows, we’ve got too many of those already.

          • Tlink7

            There must always be *lightning bolt* a [email protected] King…

          • Vigilante_blade

            I think we can agree that the story of Fates was bad. It seems to be tied to the directors though. Those who wrote Awakening and Fates were the same individuals (even if they used a really brief script from a mangaka to build their story on for Fates). Valentia was written by someone else and I felt was done quite well with great characters. Personally. I am a huge fabln of the story telling of Tellius games. I want world building in FE.

          • Tlink7

            Yeah, the story in Fates was so very boring and generic. It was only made worse by the fact that the devs decided it would be best to spread it over THREE different games <.<
            I'd like world-building in FE too 😀 should certainly be possible to show this visually, what with the massive power increase that comes with going from the 3DS to the Switch

          • Vigilante_blade

            Who knows. I am not completely against new fans, but I think IS should strive to show them that Fire Emblem can be more than that. I also think they need to respect their long and rich history more. Sometimes, I feel I respect the games more than IS does.

        • Teclis

          But they expect it anyway, T. They remind me of elderly people that constantly complain at whoever comes within ear-shot about “The olden days”.

        • Fandangle

          And they can’t expect me to buy this trash heap if it doesn’t have the characters I want in it.

          I don’t think they realize that awakening and Fates fans literally only want a visual novel where they can impregnate cute girls and make babies with them and that none of them are going to buy it because FEW has none of that. Fans have been asking for a warriors game since FE8, You’d think they’d target older fans or make an effort to introduce newer fans to older games in the franchise to help boost brand awareness, but they’re not.

      • Vigilante_blade

        It is pretty terrible, yeah. Sad part is if we encourage that, they will keep doing it. It is like the recent thing IS tried with heroes… Pair a sword focus unit people want with an old one under the same category to reduce its appearance rate from 3% to 1.5%.

        Still… Every Fire Emblem game is someone’s favourite, so Warriors would have made people happy by including more characters from a wider pool.

      • Dragonage2ftw

        >More revered.

        >Older FE games.

        Pick one.

        • Fandangle

          Japan commonly says 3/12, 4, and 5 are the best. Most western fans who’ve played them will agree or say 9/10 and 9/10 were some really amazing games. The community reveres them.

          • Bap

            They can’t. Making a FE warriors about the older games would not sell. They need this game to sell to generate interest for a sequel.

          • Fandangle

            Hi, armchair businessman. Your bad business analysis isn’t valued or needed here but it is appreciated.

            But in all seriousness. Characters from older games are more popular than pretty much everyone in Fates or Awakening. Even Fates and Awakening fans, the ones that actually played more than 2 games in the franchise, openly admit to those two games having weaker characters than older ones.

            But yeah, I’m sure that all the Awakening and Fates fans would be whining and moaning over their waifus not getting into a game like FEW. All they seem to care about is baby making mechanics and their casual gameplay modes.

          • Bap

            Outside of Ike, older characters are not more popular than the new characters in the west. Awakening was the first time Nintendo pushed FE in the US. With how well those two sold of course they’ll include most of the cast. More people know who Lucina is than Ike. I was hoping for more GBA characters but oh well.

          • Fandangle

            Roy and hector placed higher than literally every character in Awakening and Fates except Lucina and Camilla, and even then Roy beat Camilla.

            Awakening was the first time Nintendo pushed FE in the US.

            This statement speaks LEAGUES about the FE situation at NoA that you don’t even realize.

            More people know who Lucina is than Ike.

            This isn’t an all stars game, this is a Fire Emblem Fanservice game. Ike also had more votes in the character poll than Lucina.

          • Bap

            This is an all stars games, thats what every Warriors spin off is. The most popular and marketable characters appear.

            Poll don’t show anything besides people who vote. Most the time less popular characters are voted higher due to people mistaking the poll as a gauge of interest and not a promotional side note. This happens everytime, Even Street Fighter’s official poll in the early 2010’s was bombarded with people voting their favorite lesser known characters in hopes of her appearing in SF4, which was why Karin was so high on it.

          • Fandangle

            It’s a Fire Emblem fan service game, this isn’t an all stars game, Smash is an all stars game, Dynasty Warriors is not. Samurai Warriors isn’t either. Musou All Stars is. If it was an all stars game they would have added more major players, they didn’t, they added character fodder like Hinoka, Fredrick, Sakura, and their own OC characters that are WHOLLY unneeded and scream of desperate self-insert on the director’s part. Pretty much every Hoshido sibling outside of Takumi is just a footnote for most If fans, and they didn’t include Hector, Ike, or Roy, and Lyn is reduced to a shoddy side roll despite Lyn and Ike literally being the most popular character across all of fire emblem. Owain even places higher than Fredrick. Half the cast is awakening and If no names.

            The most popular and marketable characters appear.

            Blatantly False. Ike garnered more attention than any other character so far. He’s not in it because the Director is an If/Awakening fanboy. Anything is marketable, however there is great issue with the fact that YOU seem to think that games should be made around marketability instead of being good games first off. You don’t make a good game by insulting your audience like the director has done. You don’t make a good fanservice game that only focuses on 3 of the worst installments in the franchise.

            Poll don’t show anything besides people who vote.

            It shows interest and desire among the fanbase. Pretty sure people who are actual fans who have played pretty much every game in the series are incredibly tired of the oversaturation of Awakening and If characters and want more variety. After the backlash of #FE and the outrage in Heroes when it first started up I thought they’d learn their lesson about over saturation but of course they didn’t. They even blatantly admitted that they only added Lyn and Celica after nintendo requested them to, and I can only assume it’s because nintendo saw this bull coming a mile away.

            Musou games are always like this too, they’re marketed towards two demographics, Musou fans and the fanbase they’re pandering to. FE’s fanbase is split right down the middle right now with newer fans who literally only played 3 games in the franchise and broader fans who actually put effort into playing more than just the 3DS games. The latter group is what makes up a majority in japan and we can already see it is bombing pretty badly over there. In the west it doesn’t nearly have as much as a following and NoA is utterly trash at marketing so it’ll probably bomb here as well. You can already see they’re trying desperately to sweep it under the rug. I can also tell you right now since the musou franchise is pretty niche to begin with only the people who came in with 7-10 will really care. 13/14 fans are fickle and filled with all kinds of cancer.

            And honestly the director seems like a flufftart. He’s so spiteful in interviews and his logic for not including more variety of characters is not only ridiculous but massively hypocritical.

          • Bap

            They make the spin offs using the most popular characters, deal with it.

          • Fandangle

            Too bad they didn’t use the most popular characters.

          • Bap

            Hector is not popular or marketable in a market beyond Japan. Hes popular in your little niche. Yes I pay attention to the hardcore FE fanbase and how much they love the GBA games, but thats a small group.

          • Fandangle

            “Hector is popular with FE fans but he’s not marketable so he’s not in the game that literally only appeals to fire emblem fans” is what it sounds like you’re saying.

            So you’re just another idiot on the NE comment sections that likes playing armchair businessman to defend horrible choices a company makes? Musou games ONLY appeal to two demographics, musou fans, and the fanbase they’re pandering to. But yes, Hector IS popular. He placed 3rd in the worldwide character poll in the male division and something like 5th over all? He is one of the MOST recognizeable FE characters no matter what way you put it.

            I’m sorry that some people only played 2 games in the franchise, they’re not fire emblem fans, they don’t deserve to be pandered to, especially in a game that is being billed as a representation of the entire franchise and should have been a celebration of the entire series instead of just a waifubait game and another meh musou.

          • Bap

            Why do you think they added a female “Link” in Hyrule Warrirors?

          • Fandangle

            You mean the female character they added after the second edition of the game?

    • Hidden Flare

      Give my quick thoughts abd just say this: at this point this game is for the people who likes awakening, Fates, and maybe shadow dragon. If you or anyone have much distain for those games you will not likely enjoy it. I hope you’ll get a game more aimmed towards you in the future.

      Also before you say the ‘unresisting classic fans’ I’ll say, what I said awhile ago ago, the choices make sense. Awakening being series top seller, Fates being the newest game at the time, and shadow dragon being the first. I admit I feel like Lyn and Celica only got in cause it was approved by higher ups. If they get a sequel (likely personally) they will hopefully cater towards you and the classic fans.

  • Fandangle

    This game honestly looks more and more trash each time new info comes out about it. Why don’t they just shut up, take the hit, and then drop it into ShovelWare oblivion so FE fans can just forget about it already?

    No Ike, No Roy, Nothing from 2 or 15 but Celica (Where’s Alm?) Nothing from 3, 4 or 5, 12, some of the best Kaga era or Kaga inspired games in the franchise unless you count the Shadow Dragon characters. Nothing from 9 or 10 the best games to ever hit the western side. No, we get endless droves of unlikeable Fates characters, and Awakening characters like Lissa and Fredrick and Cordelia.

    • MusubiKazesaru

      Why Roy over Eliwood?

      • Fandangle

        Roy is more popular because Smash. Elliwood would be a perfectly fine addition though. Why they didn’t just put the main characters of each game with a few using their alternate weapons I will never know. It would actually come out with LESS sword users than they got now.

        • KnickKnackMyWack

          Roy is overrated as sin. Ike is far more unique and likable. Both will likely be DLC at some point.

          • Fandangle

            Neither will be DLC because the director already confirmed in another interview that he’s holding them hostage to make their fans buy the first game for a sequel.

            As for over rated, I think 13 and 14 are far more over rated than anything else in the franchise. Roy was a lot of western fan’s introduction into the franchise.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            Citation please. I haven’t seen the interview.

            Roy was a lot of western fan’s introduction into the franchise.

            As a crappy Marth clone.

          • Fandangle

            Crappy was debatable. I don’t see how his clone status has anything to do with it. His game is actually quite good. That last bit only makes you seem vindictive over the fact that Roy placed 2nd overall in the male character poll and 5th overall. If they were really focusing on the most popular character’s games it should have been 6/7, 9/10, and 13.

            https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/73d0ea/koei_hints_contexts_of_few_dlc_in_latest_magazine/

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            I don’t find him interesting at all and Smash is literally the only reason anyone even cares about him. He’s meme fodder at best and forgettable at worst in the west and of course given current trends, Japan doesn’t care for him. So basically he’s popular for his irony, not because he has any redeeming qualities.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Roy is extremely popular in Japan and has fantastic supports that show a highly intelligent tactician with a lot if self doubt and humility. I very much love Roy.

          • Bap

            Back before Melee was an elitist hellhole Roy was considered by many to be the cooler looking.

            Lets see, doesn’t wear a tiara, wears a cape better, has a better color scheme (top tier in alt colors), sounds 100% awesome and creates explosions.

          • Fandangle

            I don’t find him interesting at all

            Yeah, and your bias shines like the sun.

            Japan doesn’t care for him.

            He’s not as popular in Japan but he’s certainly more well liked than literally anyone in Fates or Awakening. At this point it sounds like you’re just mindlessly attacking something you have a bias against and you’ve lost your way from the original argument. Roy represents the start of an era at IS. He’s just as important as Ike or Marth and he’s OBVIOUSLY more well liked than anyone they introduced in 13 or 14.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            He’s not as popular in Japan but he’s certainly more well liked than literally anyone in Fates or Awakening.

            Any data to prove that? Last I checked Ike beat him for most popular male character.

          • Fandangle

            Any data to prove that? Last I checked Ike beat him for most popular male character.

            The heroes character poll had him at more votes than pretty much everyone but Lucina IIRC. Camilla was like 6th overall behind Ike, Lyn, Hector, and Roy.

            . Remove any insufferable Smash Bros. memes from the equation

            Remove the “Awakening and Fates are good games that deserve acknowledgement” meme and we have a deal.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            Awakening and Fates are Fire emblem. Smash is not.

          • Fandangle

            I don’t get your point here.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            Your logic is about removing the Fates and Awakening fandoms but those are Fire Emblem. Roy’s popularity is incredibly linked to Smash Bros. so his popularity comes from a group of people who are not even necessarily fans of the franchise.

          • Fandangle

            I never said remove the fandoms. The fandoms should have never existed in the first place. It should have been the “FE fandom” but then they made super casual games and those super casual people needed a distinction because they have literally no interest in any other game that doesn’t play like Fates or Awakening and doesn’t allow them to be super casual.

            Roy’s popularity is incredibly linked to Smash Bros. so his popularity
            comes from a group of people who are not even necessarily fans of the
            franchise.

            Except in japan where he’s a genuinely popular character, and in the west where a lot of FE fans played the readily available fan translation.

            I don’t get where your contempt comes from. It would be a HUGE boost in popularity to the series if they capitalized on the opportunity of adding in a popular character in the game to attract fans from another franchise to it. This is marketing 101. It would certainly make the cast more diverse and add a unique spin on what the director thinks is a “generic sword-style move set” instead we get a 17 marth clones because the director can’t into sword fighting styles.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            I never said remove the fandoms. The fandoms should have never existed in the first place.

            lol Are you for real right now?

            https://amaznginfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/mind-blown-2.jpg

            Except in japan where he’s a genuinely popular character, and in the west where a lot of FE fans played the readily available fan translation.

            If there was truth to that, Nintendo would have localized it on VC by now or remastered/remade it by now. No, Roy is popular because of Smash. Period.

          • Fandangle

            lol Are you for real right now?

            Are you? No one wants their fanbase over run with idiots who only enjoy two games and don’t care about the others.

            If there was truth to that, Nintendo would have localized it on VC

            No they wouldn’t. They haven’t localized a single text heavy game through VC yet. You can spout “Earthbound 0/Mother!” like an ill informed jackhammer but the translation for that has literally been floating around for years and leaked years upon years ago. Nintendo had it all up and ready to go in the days of the NES it was just never released.

            No, Roy is popular because of Smash. Period.

            Except he’s not.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Marth actually played extremely different from Marth in Melee. Smash 4 did clone him a lot more however.

    • Burning Gravity

      I don’t want cool characters like Ike and Roy in a lame game like this. Better they keep them out so I can have as little reason to buy the game as possible, lol.

      • Fandangle

        The gameplay itself could be easily fixed. I think the problem is the director behind it. Everything he’s said so far just makes me think he’s a bit of a fanboy dunce who played awakening and fates and nothing else.

        • KnickKnackMyWack

          You have an incredibly anti-modern FE bias. What solid argument that is not attached to the roster can you provide to suggest FE Warriors has worse gameplay than any Warriors game before it?

          • Fandangle

            You have an incredibly anti-modern FE bias.

            I have a “My first game was awakening and I played it on hard mode before going back and playing other entries in the series because I liked the strategy elements and finding out that Awakening was kind of trash in character and map design”-bias.

            What solid argument that is not attached to the roster can you provide to suggest FE Warriors has worse gameplay than any Warriors game before it?

            Warriors games are inherently average. They rely heavily on fanservice. the DW series relies HEAVILY on the interest of the Three Kingdoms obsession japan has and as it branches into other series like Berserk or Fist of the North Star or One Piece, or Zelda, or Gundam, it relies on those fanbases to help drive it. Warriors games are all about providing decent, interesting fanservice and FEW fails on all levels of that. The gameplay is standard Warriors. The new mechanics aren’t a game changer. Then there is the constant swindling the developers are doing. Like having characters on disc but selling them as DLC, putting a developer in charge who clearly doesn’t understand what people like about the franchise, holding older characters hostage despite being more popular than anything in his favorite two games for a sequel, so he can no doubt add even MORE of his own favorite characters into the game.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            Fanservice is precisely why HW was a success and it will very likely be the reason FEW will be a success.

          • Fandangle

            Except FEW isn’t fanservice. It’s “My waifu game is better than your genuinely good game!” the lead developer is full of spite in so many of his interviews. FEW is almost literally a middle finger to everyone who told this guy that his waifu was bad and that inserting her into everything is a dumb idea.

            HW worked because it had characters across the franchise. This is just a Modern FE circlejerk that exists because the developer has a hard on for underage girls and Cordelia.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            It is to the modern fans who clearly outnumber the older fans.

          • Fandangle

            Depends on what you call modern. FE3-5 had almost the same level of sales as Awakening in Japan. In the west it was always niche because NOA constantly screwed it. To the point that I’d bet good money on the possibility that a huge amount of people Emulated RD and PoR than actually bought discs because it was just that stupid hard to find.

    • Wanderlei

      Game is really really good.

      • Fandangle

        I don’t see it. I’ve been playing it and it feels just like other Warriors games so I don’t see any real point in picking it up when it’s such a spit in the face to FE fans.

        • Wanderlei

          It is way better than typical Warriors game. It is Warriors game with Nintendo level polish and refinement to it. Warriors games tend to have lots of technical flaws and quite buggy. This is way more polished in those areas, you also feel to refinement in things like maps and mission structure.

          If you look at all the Fire Emblem elements implemented it is amazing. It has real time strategy element that replicates FE esk strategy gameplay as you battle. With ability to quick switch to control any instantly. Also brings in the ‘pair up’ mechanic and relationship ranking system. Even between battle it has the familiar convoy, FE skill system, etc etc

          The over-top childish b1tching about character selection has got quite absurd. Some fanbase become so toxic that they kill the thing they love. It is brilliant game but vocal minority want do it poorly which will only result in less Fire Emblem content not more.

          • Teclis

            That’s what happens when people don’t know how to let go. It’s not even that these characters will miraculously show their face in FE Switch, so from that perspective I can only shrug.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Why can’t you let go?

          • Teclis

            Because I can’t stand irrational people that don’t know when to quit.

          • Vigilante_blade

            How can you live with yourself?

          • Teclis

            I’ve been wondering the same thing about you ever since I’ve tried my utmost best to AT LEAST have you acknowledge another’s side. There’s a reason why you’ve become a meme in discord.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Yes, I’m well aware of your Discord bullying. I’ve been told of a few things that happen there, and I admit I’m a little dissapointed in some people that I sued to respect in some form.

            However, again…. if you don’t care about the subject, just leave me be. Live and let live.

          • Teclis

            Don’t care about the subject? I enjoy FE in it’s current form, and you complain about what you’ve missed that’s in the past. PAST, as in what it was. You hate on elements that I’ve enjoyed, want them replaced by your own vision, do you think it’s strange that people look at you as someone who just wants to ruin their fun?

            You are? So one of you has creeped into here and is relaying information? I’ll be sure to make quick work of them.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Teclis. I’ve been hearing about your Discord antics for months. I know Velen’s been talking up a storm about me. I know you’ve all been talking about me quite a bit since I left that Discord. This is childish.

            And why are you even seeing this as a competition? Yeah, fine, there are two Discords. Why do we have to hate each other? We don’t care about any out-group / in group rivalry. It’s dumb. Let go.

          • Teclis

            So is your constant whining about this game and the classic characters you’ve been missing, but I don’t see you quitting at all, so why would I?

            You never even stoop to think why it has come to this? Why people got so sick of you? Because that’s where the truly sad part comes in, when you’re being incredibly annoying to people, and don’t even understand this yourself.

          • Teclis

            How about you get back in here and we talk it out like the adult’s we’re supposed to be then?

          • Vigilante_blade

            Fore, I tried to play nice. I really did. However, certain members of your discord have crossed the line with me, and you know things went way too far out of line. I am not interested in going back to a place that sanctions harassement towards a person. Teclis has added evidence toward that, and I have heard some things. I will be honest here: my limit was reached.

            1. I will not join a server that Velen is part of. Under any condition.

            2. I am not interested in a stupid rivalry between two discord channels. I am well aware of how you all seem to feel about me, but leave Khaaan and the people of that server out of this.

            3. We could have talked personally, but you removed me from your list.

            4. I will meet only on neutral grounds.

            5. Even if we talked, chances are I would not consider joining back.

            Since that Mario Odyssey comments section where many of your members have gone and attacked me personally to the point of calling me a goddamn psychopath, I have been in a fairly foul mood. You can propose a talk, but I will not stand for blatant harassement.

          • Fore

            Because I can’t reach a middle-ground with you, Vigilante. What have I got to show for all my countless attempts? You stick to your philosophy of not accepting what you don’t agree with, hence we can’t reach any middle-grounds!

            I engage in discussion, trying to get you to see that people see it differently, and that it may just be that the old part of FE is a closed chapter for everyone but those clinging to it.

          • Vigilante_blade

            You have never tried. Remember when you went on a crusade to get Monster Hunter XX localized? Who supported you then? Surely you must see where I am coming from.

            I am well aware that you love Camilla and the new games, but there is still no reason Warriors should exclusively cater to people like you.

            And see… The problem with you, Fore is that you are every bit as stubborn as I am and yet you call all of thise who disagree with you irrational, as if people can’t hold strong opposing views without having reasons to think like that.

            Again Fore, you ask me to discuss the matter. When I show some openeness to the idea, you reject it.

          • Fore

            But I’ve since then accepted the truth of the matter, because sometimes, you just can’t change the way things are. We are but individual people, and even if we try to become as many as possible, sometimes the big corporations just don’t care, and then we can’t make a difference. For my own stress-levels and that of people that got tired of my ranting and whining, I’ve put that down. That said, I do appreciate your support therein.

            I find Camilla to be an interesting character, having experienced her and all her conversations, I’ve no trouble with her at all. I’ve also vouched and e-mailed for your older characters, for me it isn’t even about that, it’s about accepting something you simply cannot change. You get people annoyed at you, Vigilante, and I feel that it isn’t necessary to antagonize yourself.

            Of course I’m every bit of stubborn as you are, if not more. It flows at both sides of my family, and accumulates within me, but even I know when it’s futile and when to quit. I don’t call all people who disagree with me irrational, I call you that because you don’t know when it’s enough, when your efforts simply don’t do anything but get people annoyed at you, and because you never give middle-ground, because you may acknowledge someone’s opinion, but you’ll never look at it from their side, as is proven with how you hate motion-controls and you just hate them as is, not considering that others find them great, or really like them, and thus for them it’s completely different.

            Openness? What openness?

          • Vigilante_blade

            I find your philosophy depressing, and this is coming from a man with chronic depression. As Easy Allies have one said, fan outcry does work. Companies hate it. Besides, I have some fight left in me, and the battles I choose to fight are my own choice. I have fought so you could play Xenoblade Chronicles. I have fought so that the Melee community could continue streaming their game. I have fought so that Metroid gets a proper sequel. I have won alongside many comrades and made gaming a better place for me and you. Sure, I am well aware that my actions will not immediately pay dividends, or even at all. But as Captain Falcon’s F Zero theme in GX said: “It is the fight that keeps us alive”. I fight because I care and because I “want to”. You have no business trying to stop me. And if Monster Hunter comes to Switch, you will have me and many others to thank.

            I hate Camilla. I understand you like her. And while I appreciate you emailing her, I do not consider things I do pointless. If I espoused that fatalist view, I would be dead today. I ironically have a brighter outlook towards my ability to change the world, even a little, as a man who has a grim disposition. As for being annoyed with me… Why? Just ignore my posts. If you can’t, then aren’t you having problems letting people live?

            I am well aware that a subset of poeple like motion inputs and have acknowledged it many times. That doesn’t mean I have to like them or use them. It also remove my stance that all games should let you avoid them.

            You have asked me to discuss things with you. I have provided my conditions. You may choose to abide by them or not. I am done with witch hunts.

          • Fore

            I’m in the EU, pretty sure we would’ve gotten XC as is.

            If MH comes to Switch, it’s purely because the corporate minds see reason to do so. You delude yourself into thinking that outcry from a few people does anything. Only an exceptionally large group, or with powerful patrons can make any change.

            Don’t tell me your blind to how people respond to you these days? That’s because of your “fight” for change, people get sick and tired of the constant nagging. Tell me, Vigilante, has your fight had any impact yet?

            But as is the case with every discussion we have, none of us go anywhere with them, so I’ll leave you to it. Just do me one favour, keep in mind that people see things different than you do, and don’t antagonize them as much as you do not wish to be antagonized. Before going into a defensive mode, consider “Awakening babies/kiddes” whatever you want to call them.

          • Fore

            Also just for the record, the one who called you a psychopath isn’t in our discord.

            http://nintendoeverything.com/details-from-edges-super-mario-odyssey-review/

          • Vigilante_blade

            Sure, if that isn’t the case, I will retract it. However, it doesn’t change the fact that people from your discord are participating in mud slinging. And when people like Evee have gone way out of line, what did you do? You stood there and let it happen.

            That mud slinging has been brought to my attention multiple times. I am a recurrent part of your conversations. I left high school many years ago and decided to not hang around bullies in my adult life.

          • Fore

            Oh? From what I see, they just tend to discuss things with you, very rarely, when they get miffed by your way of discussing things. That’s hardly mud-slinging, is it?

          • Vigilante_blade

            Again, I heard of a few instances of what happens in your discord.

          • Fore

            And who is this person that enlightens you on this then?

          • Vigilante_blade

            Persons. With an S. I have to deal with enough as it is, I am not dragging people into this.

          • Fore

            Well then, you either accept that the way you act causes people to form particular opinions of you, come in and defend yourself, or prove us wrong. At any rate, I’ll be taking actions and we’ll be figuring out how things work soon enough.

          • Vigilante_blade

            I will reiterate my terms:

            I will only discuss with you on neutral grounds.

            I will not join a chat where Velen is involved

          • Fore

            So, what do you want?

          • Vigilante_blade

            You called the meeting. I am ready to humour you in a one on one discussion. But I am not dealing with a mob.

          • Fore

            Doesn’t tell me what you want. Humouring me would be answer to my question, and I’m not going to the one asking the question. I’m putting it in your hands.

          • Vigilante_blade

            I really want nothing. I was simply made aware that people on your discord were talking smack. As a result, I see you claim that I am treated as a meme in your discord as well. It adds to my suspicions that I would not enjoy this place.

            Look, I am not joining back. I never got an apology for being unfairly treated like an elitist. I have my pride.

            Your users essentially treated me like steaming hot garbage. Khaaan and the people over there have been pretty welcoming. We had arguments and remained friendly. Think I always agree with Fandangle? I don’t. I agree with him on Fire Emblem, but not controls. I am still talking with him regularily. You have seen me talk to JasonBall with great vehemence. I actually like guy. And honestly, I used to like you as well.

            My limit was reached when the “elitisms” kept piling up. I no longer have patience for it, and you have done little to stop it. I am not stupid enough to go and be friendly with people who defecate all over me. I tried to play nice once. I didn’t even want to. Yet I did it. Not worth it.

          • Strawman

            That meme I’m referring to is our :vigilante: command, which you yourself have used plenty.

            That feeling of liking was as mutual as you “used” to, but the constant nagging eats away at you until you’re fed up with it. I’ve been trying to get to these comments, read some impressions, preferably ones going to the positive side. Instead, I always encounter you with your crusade. Now put yourself in my shoes, do you think that’s enjoyable to read? (and no, you can’t “Look over that” it’s red with just an eye-flash)

            You’ve gotten me to nearly dislike FE as a whole, because I’ve gotten to associate it with your battle against IS and Nintendo to get recognition for games they seem to want to keep away. It’ll take me some time to put that to the side and enjoy FE fully again.

            All the people from Linkchu’s discord that I’ve seen respond to you, tended to be in normal discussions, albeit on a disagreeing tone, so I have literally no clue what you’re on about, unless it’s the part in Discord and even there we never went to outright calling you anything particular.

            I’m cutting it short here, Vigilante. I don’t see a reason for us to discuss anything, since it’s just an endless back-and-forth with no real conclusion.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Again, I have heard of this meme being used to berate me as opposed to in good fun.

            Just a little piece if advice. If you don’t like reading it… How about not reading it…?

            And again, I have offered a lot of compromise. I am more concerned about those that are okay with Warriors not having enough classic characters because “I got my waifu”.

            Seriously, I have seen people complain about Lyn and demanding Azura.

          • Strawman

            But if then more classic characters would get in through DLC, then it’s still not good because they should’ve been in from the start. KT’s damned if they do, and damned if they don’t.

            In any case I’m going back to enjoying this game now.

          • Vigilante_blade

            FE 1/3/11/12: Marth, Caeda, Tiki.
            FE 2/15: Alm, Celica (more mage), Claire.
            FE 4: Seliph
            FE 5: Leif
            FE 6: Roy, Lilina, Cecilia
            FE 7: Lyn, Eliwood, Hector
            FE 8: Ephraim, Eirika
            FE 9/10: Ike, Soren, Titania
            FE 13: Chrom, Robin, Cordelia
            FE 14: Corrin, Takumi, Leo

            25 characters. Varied games. Varied weapons.

            By doing this, you make Awakening and Fates fans happy. Then you also make classic fans happy. Fans of FE 4 and 5 might be a bit sad for just one character each, but them getting rep is already a huge step up. Then, DLC can round out the cast in various ways. I find it rather selfish that some new fans want games to only cater to their interests

          • Dragonage2ftw

            And by doing so, you’ve completely screwed over history mode, and made the weapon types less diverse as a whole.

            Also, LOL @ No Lucina, No Xander, No Camilla, No Ryoma.

            Dry your tears. The game has been a success. IS doesn’t care what you crybabies think.

          • Vigilante_blade

            It is actually more diverse.

            Eliwood essentially replaces Xander as the horse sword unit, so no net change. Hector adds an axe armoured unit. Titania replaces Frederick as a mounted axe cavalier. Celica is now a magic user, Ephraim is a lance infantry. Soren is a wind mage, Cecillia is a mounted mage, etc…

            Lucina can be a voiced Chrom costume.

            Also, I am aware that you are are an infamous troll on gamefaqs.

          • Dragonage2ftw

            1.I’m not a troll. Way to try and get out of the debate, though!
            2. Making characters costumes is garbo AF.
            3. Gotta love how you dodged the fact that History Mode would be ruined. It’s almost like you don’t have a point *gasp*
            4. Still too many sword lords. KEK!

          • The girl you’re responding to is a massive troll
            So yeah
            That’s super ironic

          • Dragonage2ftw

            Yeah, I guess it is kinda ironic.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Still less swords. And they made a history mode with just Lyn and one with just Celica….

          • Go outside

          • Vigilante_blade

            I love you, Phil.

          • bring it in

          • Strawman

            Again, they’re damned if they do, damned if they don’t. There will always be people disappointed that their favourite isn’t in, or that their representation is lower overall.

            Send that sort of stuff to KT, because hell knows I’ve nothing to do with them.

          • RoadyMike

            Literally a Strawman lol. Don’t mind me I just had a good chuckle

          • Strawman

            Just be sure not to fall from your seat and injure yourself in the process, eh?

          • RoadyMike

            Too l8 m8

          • Fandangle

            It is way better than typical Warriors game. It is Warriors game with Nintendo level polish and refinement to it.

            Except it looks worse than HW in pretty much every way. The character models are incredibly stiff, and pretty ugly looking. HW had very unique and distinct characters, you can look at the picture up there and see that they literally just slightly edited each model’s face to save cost.

            Warriors games tend to have lots of technical flaws and quite buggy.

            They’re budget games for the most part, and from what I’ve played of FEW it’s pretty much the same fair.

            It has real time strategy element that replicates FE esk strategy gameplay as you battle.

            Ordering people around on a map may be a neat feature but it’s hardly unique enough and will probably be implemented into other Warriors games later. It’s no reason to buy it over such a minor addition.

            With ability to quick switch to control any instantly.

            This already was introduced in other Warriors games before this. It’s not new. It was actually a gimmick to one of their earlier games that they later introduced into other installments in the franchise, like HW’s guard breaking and how FEW’s strategic elements will later be implemented into other installments in the Warriors franchise.

            You seriously sound like a marketer reading the script for a TV ad.

            The over-top childish b1tching about character selection has got quite absurd. Some fanbase become so toxic that they kill the thing they love. It is brilliant game but vocal minority want do it poorly which will only result in less Fire Emblem content not more.

            I agree, so why are you perpetuating into this toxic culture that is killing the FE fanbase? I mean, most fans were perfectly happy to let the series die. 9 and 10 were great games and then IS proved once again they can’t manage for anything and then they borked it all up with 11. The series failing was their own doing yet they continually punish fans for it by blackmailing them and taking dumps on every turn. Then we got people like you who would rather spew hate on anyone who dares to fall out of line.

            The game isn’t brilliant. The game is another Warriors game, it just fails so hard at actually being a decent fanservice game like all the other Warriors spinoffs. I honestly don’t think you’ve played anything but HW on Wii U from your comment.

    • Dragonage2ftw

      Because people like this game.

      The only people that don’t like it are the small minority of people that clutch onto the games that almost killed the franchise.

      Dry your tears.

      • Fandangle

        I’m pretty sure the game bombed in japan though. The only people who like it are the same casuals who came in with awakening and If who don’t know anything about the franchise and frankly they can sod right off back to their horrible anime waifu games and leave FE alone.

        • KnickKnackMyWack

          Can you stop attacking people for liking the newer games? Enough. They’re not “casual” for being the same games with more options. In many instances the newer FE fans like these games because of the character interactions and writing. The only ones who get upset about that are the whiny purists on the internet who literally have made no splash on sales considering Fates sold even better than Awakening despite all the complaining online.

          As I said before, you guys are a tiny minority. Cling to your history if you want but quit attacking the fans who actually made this franchise successful. Newsflash: the older games were niche at best and nearly killed the franchise prior to Awakening.

          • Fandangle

            Well first off, I’m not attacking them for liking newer games. I’m attacking them for picking up the franchise with FE13 and 14 and never picking up any other installment because they’re too hard, maps are too complex, or the fact that you can’t impregnate Lucina in them.

            Secondly, they are casual. they introduced casual elements that attract casual gamers and FE is not casual in the least. And then the devs don’t do anything to encourage those new, casual fans, to understand the series, instead they just split the fanbase down the middle of people who want games with bad excuse plots, bad characters, bad map design, baby making and marriage mechanics, avatar mechanics, and then people who want pre-awakening back.

            The only ones who get upset about that are the whiny purists on the
            internet who literally have made no splash on sales considering Fates
            sold even better than Awakening despite all the complaining online.

            That’s pretty simply a marketing issue. RD and PoR had horrible marketing and thus didn’t sell well (on top of intentionally straining supplies, thanks nintendo). Awakening and Fates had great marketing and after it got out that “awakening may be the last installment” older fans went out and bought it in droves.

            But please do go on to tell me that I’m being a purist for wanting them to just acknowledge a game that isn’t the worst 3 installments in the entire franchise.

            As I said before, you guys are a tiny minority

            I don’t see how. I’ve seen similar arguing on pretty much every article I go to, even on FE dedicated forums there is a huge split in opinions over it. All of this is anecdotal and I genuinely don’t know why you brought it up though.

            Cling to your history if you want but quit attacking the fans who
            actually made this franchise successful. Newsflash: the older games were
            niche at best and nearly killed the franchise prior to Awakening.

            History is important here. Shedding history gets you nowhere and constantly repeating it gets you Shadow Dragon.

            Also as for your newsflash, I’ve discussed this with you at length about why the FE series was “failing” (it wasn’t) I suggest you go reread those posts and then come back.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            I’m attacking them for picking up the franchise with FE13 and 14 and never picking up any other installment

            Thank you for being honest. You’re still a jerk for doing it.

            Secondly, they are casual.

            Because you say so? Sure. I mean, that’s completely petty and immature, but sure. Go on believing that.

            But please do go on to tell me that I’m being a purist

            I didn’t. I spoke in general terms.

            I’ve discussed this with you at length about why the FE series was “failing”

            Your arguments are subjective. There is sales data to disprove your flimflammery.

          • Fandangle

            You’re still a jerk for doing it.

            Just wait until you get a bunch of people actively ruining a favorite niche franchise of yours and then calling you an elitist or a purist for trying to tell them to stop.

            Because you say so?

            For the reasons I listed.

            Your arguments are subjective. There is sales data to disprove your flimflammery.

            Really now? Because as I see it, as a person who has actually played a lot of these games and looked into the development, old forum posts, articles, and basically did my research, it seems that either something stupidly malicious or some AMAZING incompetence went on behind the scenes and considering recent things coming out about NoA I’m inclined to believe a mix of the two.

            It honestly looks like a bunch of old jerks who openly admit to thinking RPGs are dead in the west but want to get rid of those pesky fanboys who constantly moan at them to translate and bring over that random niche franchise, so they hand it off to whatever translator they have on hand and they publish it with bare minimum effort and minimal money. Suddenly the franchise is popular and Nintendo is putting pressure on them so they put more into marketing and it’s a “surprise hit” but not really because the devs shoved in every fanservice mechanic they could think of short of a petting mini game which they save for the sequel.

            You’ve done nothing but present me with Nintendo’s side of the story, and of course they’ll present an incredibly slanted version that removes any blame from them.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            Why should they stop? Why should they alter anything they like for your whims? You’re being incredibly selfish.

          • Fandangle

            I’m the selfish one for wanting a series to stick to it’s roots instead of changing to become another blatant fanservice game. And you’re not the selfish one because you want a franchise to completely change because you prefer fanservice and dumb mechanics based on player inserts and baby making and petting.

            I feel like you’ve stopped even caring about my points and you’re just insulting me at this point in about 5 different reply chains.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            No, you’re selfish for telling others what to do and what to like.

          • Fandangle

            And that’s your opinion. I view it as more objective than that. Objectively the series is easier overall, objectively the director is essentially an idiot who hates older fans for making fun of him, objectively you’re supporting the degradation of the franchise and you have yet to make a case for the opposite.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            objectively the director is essentially an idiot who hates older fans for making fun of him

            Given your toxic behavior and comments, I can’t imagine why.

          • Fandangle

            Yeah, because toxic is totally a meaningful criticism and not just a word you use to put down others for critisizing something you’re currently fanboying over.

            I stopped getting things out of this argument a while ago, so if you keep insisting on replying with just insults then this will probably be my last reply.

        • Dragonage2ftw

          It didn’t.

          It sold 69k, and it got “Exceptionally strong EShop sales, which was unusual for Japan.”

          • Fandangle

            FEW didn’t sell 69k first week as far as I know. Mediacrate had the switch version around 50k and the 3ds version around 15k.

          • Dragonage2ftw
          • Fandangle

            For one they’re talking about sales in general for all of their 50 thousand ports they’ve released on it so far. They’ve literally released around 10 games on it in japan and it’s not indicative of FEW by itself.

            For two you’ve fallen into the same age old trap of believing anything that’s come out of the corporate office about a product they have a personal stake in. KT will not talk bad about it’s own products. They probably wont even say it sold bad unless it sells incredibly bad. Most companies will just sweep things like that under the rug without acknowledging it.

  • Locky Mavo

    Sucks I have to wait nearly a week for my copy to arrive. Same will be for Mario Odyssey too.

  • Zeebor

    I still have no idea why Takumi is so popular.

    This is the roster you get when a crossover focuses on the Japanese audience exclusively. Still, at least they (eventually) recognized that there was too much Fates in this game. Really, limiting to the three wouldn’t be so bad if they have SO MUCH of Fate’s terrible cast bogging down the roster. Fates really did have 10 main characters, so their argument is correct in the regard that it would feel incomplete if they weren’t all there. But they’re not even all there! SO THE POINT IS NULL!

    • Fandangle

      No, it had 2 main characters. The siblings were expendable.They’re overpowered units as well, making an already badly designed game even easier. Takumi is popular because he was a pretty enjoyable villain in Nohr because of how ridiculous he was.

      • Zeebor

        That is the paradox of Fire Emblem Fates though: everyone is a main character, therefore no one is.

        But, Takumi is certainly unique as far as Fire Emblem final bosses go, I’ll give you that. “Conquest has some of the best maps in the entire series: but the story is the worst Intelligent Systems has ever made! AND THEY MADE STICKER STAR!”

        • Fandangle

          Not really. Most Fire Emblem games have important characters. Some have characters that “retire” instaed of dying. The main characters are always the characters that cause a game over when they die. In this case it’s Kamui and Aqua.

  • Wanderlei

    Best Warriors game there is. They have done such a brilliant job bringing FE mechanics to a Warriors.

  • Teclis

    I’ve completed the story, and I can say that the game’s enjoyable. Honestly, replacing any of the lords and their casts with the older characters wouldn’t have done jack here, as it’s far more about the OC’s and their story in their land.

    I find it to be an enjoyable and good game, but I’d honestly advise Koei Tecmo to keep Warriors for something else, since it’s not worth it to stick their heads into the hellhole that is the FE fanbase.

    • PanurgeJr

      If this thread is any indication, pre-Awakening Fire Emblem fans convened to decide how to be more toxic than Metroid fans.

      • Bap

        Metroid fans are not toxic. It’s just Other M is just a bad game.

        • PanurgeJr

          The reaction to Federation Force says hello.

          • Bap

            That wasn’t even a Metroid game. It was re purposed as one. It was easy to tell before news that it originally wasn’t related to Metroid broke. Fans were upset because they thought Nintendo would think there was no interest in a Metroid game because the game wasn’t going to sell.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            Federation Force was Tanabe’s pet project idea for ten years. He said it in an interview literally hours after it was revealed.

          • Bap

            It was a shelved DSi title by next level games.

    • KnickKnackMyWack

      I’m about halfway through and I don’t see the hate for it. It’s Hyrule Warriors but better gameplay, less grinding and more features.

      • Strawman

        Exactly. The ability to command your allies is huge.

  • Princess_Eevee9

    First of all I have many things I wanna touch on about this article but as I wanna obsessively dissect it properly I’ll just hit up 5 main ideas and edit em all later:

    1. They’re acknowledgement of the GBA series & Lyn

    2. Tackling the 3DS Fire Emblem heavy character roster

    3. Development process

    4. Specific Characters/Their models that gave em the blues

    5. Fan reactions

    Just glancing at the first 5 comments already see the usual stupid people that. Just. Won’t. Give it. Up too, ya’ll are sad.

  • NeptuniasBeard

    I really like this game. Fun as heck.

    • Strawman

      What do you think of the ability to give people assignments? It’s a great addition from other warrior games, where your generals just faff about instead 😀

  • Gamingfan

    just shovelware.

  • Snackster1001

    WALLS OF TEXT: THE COMMENT SECTION

    Since they’re basing character selection on sales, I guess we’re not getting a Warriors game in classic characters. Oh well, I’ll always have Roy and Ike in smash at least 🙁

  • Hidden Flare

    So reading those i do wana be more fair with them. I’ll be honest most of the gripe with this game is towards the roaster and on lesser details. Reading this shows there was work done outside of that in gameplay and presentation. I’ll say I get the vibe the roaster choice outside the three games were not likely thought by these two. You can’t put the blame on them for Roy or Ike, honestly feels more like it was higher people then them to make the choice. I’ll say I still question their logic with the Sakura and Elese being in the game, if these characters wonder where they are wouldn’t Corrin wonder where azura is? Maybe that’s not the best argument but it does stand. Still I guess it’s understandable. I’m going to not talk about the ‘movesets’ for specific characters cause I’m curious what they will say.

    With that said, of you like awakening, Fates, maybe shadow dragon, you will likely have fun with the game and like the callbacks to the games. If you don’t and hold much distain For those titles you will likely not favor these games and ask other titles be represented. I do feel the developers love these games and maybe the series but they could mostly pick the three games, feels like others were from outside them. I feel they want to do the best for those games.

    Want to ask bout the story though. While collecting things were likely used in a good bunch of FE games, I’m unsure if it’s that needed. With the master sword it’s easier and faster to use, this collecting thing could be more of a time waster and may not feel as big as other things could be. I’m unsure tell me if you disagree or not.

    Overknkw nice interview but I enjoyed the other ones better. But I hope we get another one cause im curious on other details with the game.

  • キロ

    Just what is going on here today…? xD

    • Hidden Flare

      Oh the usual.

      • キロ

        I’ve been following the site for years, but don’t quite remember when it became such a dueling ground. xD

        • Addy

          I’ve been following this site for years too, started commenting a couple of years ago, now I’m starting to think my time here has come to an end- *random problem happens* Why is it so hard to do anything here when I’m using my phone?!

          • Hidden Flare

            My phone has issues here too. If I had to guess it’s the massive comment section here.

          • Addy

            I think it the video based ads that’s slowing things down, sometimes making the current page stop working and having to refresh. Or, rarely, Disqus doesn’t want to cooperate. *page crashes*

            Yep, not posting nor viewing this site on my phone, until further notice.

          • Hidden Flare

            You sure it’s not just this pavevseeing we also have a big interview? I’ll have to check later on a different page in the future.

          • キロ

            It’s actually the last gaming news site I follow… xD If I leave I’d be in total blackout. Though that’s not always a bad thing. A lot of fun things have sprung up out of nowhere for me lately and has led to pleasant surprises.

        • Hidden Flare

          Dunno when things got more debated? Hoping things calm down too.

          • キロ

            I’m sure things will get better…eventually. Debates are fine, and encouraged, but I dunno if what I see on the page qualifies as one. xD

            NE benefits from the traffic either way, I guess?

  • sightless

    Lol, reading the comments make me think the franchise was dying because FE attracted wrong audience.

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