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Payday 2’s physical version for Switch appears to be priced at $50

Posted on December 16, 2017 by (@NE_Brian) in News, Switch

Payday 2 was announced for Switch during a Nintendo Direct way back in April. This past week, a final release date was shared. The game will be offered both physically and digitally on February 27 in the Americas and February 23 in Europe.

At least for the physical version, we appear to have a price point. GameStop has its product page up at $49.99. The digital version could end up costing that much as well, though we don’t have confirmation on that front for the time being.

GameStop’s listing says Payday 2 for Switch “will come with hundreds of masks for players to choose from, plus patterns and skins they can use to customize weapons, armor and masks.” It also has “added mechanics and updates” that make uuse of Switch’s touch screen / features.

Backing up the price of Payday 2 is what Amazon UK has listed. The retailer opened pre-orders this week, and has the game down for Β£39.99.

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  • SM

    Welp this going to bomb

    • Ghirahim

      “Why don’t they like your game?!”

    • Radish

      Gonna find it in a bargain bin at Walmart in a few months.

  • Vive

    bye bye then.

    It was free on Steam few months ago.

    • Aline Piroutek

      lol

    • Airsh Bornely

      That’s hardly relevant. This is the standard price for the game.

  • Shane

    Take my money

  • Tlink7

    *makes game price 50 euros whilst the game is super cheap/free on Steam*
    ”third-party titles don’t sell on Switch”

    • Felipe M.

      It’s Β£39.99 in UK so it won’t be 50€, that is if you at least look for a deal.

    • Indielink

      It’s 50 on Steam right now. I just checked.

      • Force

        *lets out a hacking cough* That’s the ultimate edition, which is a bundle. Going to the PayDay 2 store page: http://store.steampowered.com/app/218620/PAYDAY_2/ it doesn’t even give you an actual price.

        So far I’m aware, THIS is the actual PayDay 2 game: http://store.steampowered.com/app/24240/PAYDAY_The_Heist/ which as you can clearly see, costs 14,99.

        • Indielink

          The second link you sent me is the price for Payday 1.

          You are right though in that the price I mentioned is for the ultimate bundle, I should have mentioned that. In my defense though, as you have mentioned there seems to be no way to get vanilla Payday 2 and your only option is the ultimate edition.

          • Force

            You’ve got a point with the base-game, but I doubt that’s permanent.

          • Indielink

            We seem to be conversing on two separate threads, let’s converge on one for simplicity. I vote the higher up one.

        • Blackbishop

          If you click in the Bundle Info button, after the description of the product comes the list of the games and how much they cost by themselves(without discount because that comes at the end). It seems the game is no longer sold by itself.

          • Force

            Yeah that’s kinda strange… Dunno why one would ever completely discontinue a digital product.

          • Blackbishop

            I guess that was the reason why it was given by free some months ago, so you only have to buy the DLC if you picked it up at the time or buy everything in one package if you came late to the party.

          • Force

            I don’t know of any other game to have done this… Oh well, hopefully the Switch version has at least some DLC, unlike an other example that I’ve bought (I’m looking at you, Dragonball Xenoverse 2)

      • Tlink7

        Ah, my bad, I just assumed it would be a similar price to the retail versions of other platforms, which is like 20 euros πŸ˜›

        • Indielink

          The retail version on other consoles is about 2 years out of date. There is a ton of paid for content that has been released since then. We still have no idea how up to date the Switch version will be hence why I have been advocating the wait and see approach.

          • Tlink7

            We will see indeed. However, it certainly wouldn’t be the first time an old game is released on a Nintendo console and is priced much higher than its brothers on other platforms …with subsequent developer whining πŸ˜›

  • Snackster1001

    way too steep for my consideration. The PC version was practically free months ago. At least make it priced the same as the xbox one version (which I assume is what this version is closer to)

    • Felipe M.

      “practically free” it was free, no hidden charges. Now, to be able to play that’s different.

      It’s like claiming a game on PS Store / Xbox Store or Nintendo Store online.

      • Snackster1001

        Oh, right. Still way too expensive compared to the other console counterparts and that’s dissapointing

  • Felipe M.

    Β£34.85 in UK at SimplyGames.

  • Logical Q

    It wouldn’t be a Switch port if it didn’t have inferior visuals/performance, was mad late and way overpriced~

    • Force

      I must then ask the question: Is portability worth all that?

      My guess is that for some, it is. For some, it is worth the downgrades technically and visually, but I personally do not consider this acceptable.

    • Radish

      Well to be fair, the Switch wasn’t out in 2013 when it initially released, or 2015 when it re-released. It’s kind of a normal thing for new consoles to get older games in their first year or two. But the price is absurd, I’ll give you that.

      • Force

        And yet people will happily pay them this money for portability alone. If eventually, the quality of the ports start coming down because people will buy anything in the name of portability, I will only be able to laugh at the sea of people who enabled this in the first place. And feel incredibly sad for those buying it for any other reason, and expecting a reasonable game.

        • Radish

          If most people are willing to pay the $50 for this game, then that will be the price. That’s how the market works. Why would retailers/developers sell a game for $30 that they can get $50 for? If it doesn’t sell for $50, retailers will lower the price until people buy it.

          The fact of the matter is that they can only get away with this if people are actually buying it. So in the long run, only the competent ports will sell well on Switch because the market adjusted for it.

          • Force

            True, but you’ll get the whole “Our games don’t sell on Switch, let’s stop supporting” crap again. It’s a stupidly vicious cycle.

          • Radish

            Well the way the cycle is broken is when good ports exist. And right now DOOM and Skyrim and LA Noire have been good ports whereas FIFA, NBA, and WWE have not been. Developers will realize that in order to have their games sell well on Switch they need to put effort into the ports.

            Also I have no doubt that the Switch version of Mega Man 11 will sell the best.

          • Force

            LA Noire a good port? I’ve heard other things. Also what do you classify as a good port?

            But then MegaMan 11 is probably not taxing enough to make any real compromises on Switch, and thus that would be the objectively better version as the Switch then just has more than the competitors.

          • Radish

            A good port is one that can be enjoyed to completion by the player playing it. WWE cannot be enjoyed unless you just like laughing at how poorly optimized it is. And even then, you wouldn’t want to pay for that experience.

            If you look at comparisons between LA Noire on the systems, Switch is very similar to the others. Is it a perfect 1:1 port? No, but is it bad enough that people can’t play it? No.

            Also forgot to mention Resident Evil Revelations 1 + 2. Capcom actually put enough effort into those to make the Switch versions the best of them all, which is very impressive! Likewise, Mega Man 11 makes the most sense on Switch but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be on other platforms even if it doesn’t sell well on XB1 or PS4.

          • Force

            Switch versions best of all on RE? Did you see the load-time difference between Switch and Xbox yet? If not, look at those, then come back here to correct your statement.

            I could argue the same for Nintendo’s games. If portability is the be all-end-all, they can just bank on that, and give the world their IP on the platforms that put the effort in to give you good FPS and graphics.

          • Radish

            The Switch version of RE ironically looks better than the Xbox version. Not only does it look better, but it has way more features not included in other games, making it the best optimized version.

            If Nintendo put their games on other platforms, they would be competing with themselves and make less money overall. If the reason you like Nintendo games is for graphics (their FPS has always been solid), you missing the entire point of Nintendo games. Superior gameplay > superior graphics.

          • Force

            Nintendo’s games, sure. But I’m a consumer, I want the best bang for my buck and the Switch doesn’t give me that. If Nintendo’s games were on other platforms, I could at least buy a console that does give me bang for my buck and get access to all the great games.

          • Radish

            If you bought the most powerful system on the market right now you still wouldn’t have access to any of Sony’s exclusives. So your argument falls apart right there.

          • Force

            True, but then Sony doesn’t even come close to Nintendo in regards to exclusives, and thus is a far less egregious example.

          • Radish

            That’s not true at all. Sony has a much larger number of exclusives now than they have in the past, and their quality has improved dramatically. I don’t think you are being fair to Sony here. I personally prefer Nintendo’s exclusives, but I can’t deny that Sony has a lot of games that I wish I could play.

          • Force

            Well, I’ll be frank, I don’t know all of Sony’s exclusives. I can bring Persona, Horizon and Uncharted off the top of my head, but I wouldn’t know what else they’ve got honestly.

          • Radish

            Bloodborne, Detroit: Become Human, God of War, Final Fantasy VII remake (at least so far), Spider-Man, Gran Turismo Sport, The Last of Us, Infamous, MLB The Show, Yakuza, Ratchet & Clank, Death Stranding, I could go on and on really.

          • Force

            Damn, yeah that is quite the backlog, though those probably don’t have as much esteem a say Zelda or Mario.

          • Radish

            No game can have as much esteem as Zelda or Mario by definition. Sony cannot go back in time and start a franchise that pre-dates those Nintendo franchises. They can’t manufacture nostalgia, it takes time. All they can do is deliver quality products right now, which is what they are doing. And roughly 70 million people like their games. And I forgot to mention Shenmue III as well. You would be missing out on a lot of great games if all you wanted was an Xbox One X that played Nintendo games.

          • Force

            Well, an ideal world would not have exclusives at all, even if I recognize that they’re a big part of the industry and are definite system-sellers in many cases.

          • Radish

            If there were no exclusives there would be no reason for consoles, and every game would have to conform to the PC form factor which would just iterate on power every 2 years. It would get stale very quickly. Competition benefits us more as consumers.

          • Force

            And yet exclusives are inherently anti-consumer, so how do you explain that?

            Not every game would have to conform to PC, since the Switch and anything else handheld would survive on that merit alone.

          • Radish

            I can see how you could see exclusives as anti-consumer, but I see them as pro-consumer in the bigger picture. I see exclusives as giving value to different options. If the consumer has different options, the manufacturer has to win them over with more effort in games development and other features. If every game was available on one platform, that one platform would have no need to innovate because there is no competition. A lot of folks say the 4th generation (SNES/Genesis/etc) was the best in gaming because consumers got the highest number of exclusive games as a result of a more competitive market.

            So no, if you look at the big picture exclusives are not anti-consumer.

          • Force

            Well, I’d like it better if people buy the machines for their own merit, ironically why people buy the Xbox One X and the Switch.

            In that regard, if the Switch truly adjusts to one’s situation, where’s my ability to power it up? πŸ˜›

          • Radish

            Well they do, but exclusives allow different machines to exist in the first place. I don’t see how the Playstation could survive in a market that didn’t have exclusive games.

            Lol well I’ve said this before but I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Switch “upgrade” in 2-3 years. There’s just no need to right now because they still can’t even keep it in stock.

          • Force

            “There’s just no need to right now because they still can’t even keep it in stock.”

            It’s been in stock here for months already, and I think that’s the situation overall now.

          • Radish

            Perhaps it is in Scandinavia, but Europe has always been the weakest market for Nintendo. Though even there we are beating XB1 on a weekly basis.

          • Force

            I live in Holland… We’ve been having them in stock for a while now, so far I’m aware…

            In fact, they’ve been reduced in price already!

          • Radish

            Yeah, like I said Europe doesn’t have the same supply issues as North America and Japan because there is far less demand. The same thing happened with Amiibo.

          • Force

            Heh, goes to show that Nintendo still isn’t breaking in well on the European market. I guess handheld isn’t the king of all.

          • Radish

            Well to be fair, it has broken into the European market better than it has historically. Europeans don’t have the same history with Nintendo. The NES/SNES wasn’t as big there as SEGA and ZX Spectrum etc.

          • Force

            I love how you ignore my handheld jab.

          • Radish

            Your handheld jab? Sounds immature, I was thinking you were capable of a reasonable discussion.

          • Force

            What, you believe in some illusory front about everyone to own a Switch being in the same camp? Now that’s funny.

          • Radish

            What are you even saying right now?

          • Force

            That the hybrid idea is silly because home-console gamers expect different things from their system compared to handheld gamers.

            And yes, seeing the Switch not colossally explode everywhere is good, because that means not everyone believes handheld is the be all end all of gaming.

          • Radish

            I don’t think Europe’s lower numbers matter when Switch is killing it in Japan and North America, and Korea. Especially when Switch is selling better in Europe than the Wii U ever did. And that was strictly a home console. So your argument fails yet again.

          • Force

            *sigh* Alright Radish, I’ll leave you to your little hole where all is great and fun and positive and Nintendo.

            The Switch selling out everywhere else, but not in Europe means Europe still cares for something that has merit beyond portability.

          • Radish

            And I will leave you to playing Super Lucky’s Tale on Xbox One X where power and graphics is the most important thing in gaming.

            I’m sorry that you can’t enjoy a Nintendo game unless it is running at high PC graphics settings, it must really limit your options.

            And for the record, I don’t think Nintendo is flawless.

          • Force

            “And for the record, I don’t think Nintendo is flawless.” I’m pretty sure you zealously worship them at your SNES altar.

            Jokes on you son, I don’t even own anything but a Switch and a medium gaming PC.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/de764dd722e5057021c012d72f425e0c82bd45f1bb601ac908e8a6f5fb8a7eb8.jpg

            I own that stack because I want flawless graphics, don’t you understand?!

            Seriously now, no Radish I want the Switch to have more merit beyond portability, that’s all.

          • Radish

            You think I worship Nintendo when I was the one who had to explain to you the quality of Sony exclusives and what games they have? You could only name 3 Sony exclusives. Now it seems like you worship Nintendo lol.

            And the Switch does have more merit, it has a controller that you can take apart and become 2 controllers. It has HD rumble, and it has great exclusives. And indie developers are flocking to it. I know, it doesn’t have 4K graphics, so that makes it a failure. I guess Xbox 1 X will outsell it, right?

          • Force

            I see what you’re trying. You need to try harder.

            The Joy-Con is side fluff if anything, same with HD rumble. Those exclusives, yes, those are undeniable and yes Indies are flocking to it, but indies are everywhere.

            As I’ve said before, Nintendo can easily give the docked part some more merit by emphasizing how the system will get games that were otherwise handheld only.

          • Radish

            Side fluff? I think allowing you to play 2 player co-op on the go on one handheld is hardly fluff. But obviously, we know what you prioritize over everything: graphics.

            And Nintendo already announced Pokemon which had been strictly a handheld experience. You will finally get to play it on a home console, but I guess that still isn’t good enough for you, right?

          • Force

            “But obviously, we know what you prioritize over everything: graphics.” Are you quite finished?

            “And Nintendo already announced Pokemon which had been strictly a handheld experience.” I won’t get my hopes up for that one until I’m 100% certain that Game Freak didn’t limit features to handheld mode. I can see them pull that one.

          • Radish

            So far there hasn’t been a Nintendo game on Switch that allowed you to do something undocked that you couldn’t do docked. So I doubt it will be any different with Pokemon.

          • Force

            Oh really? Voez and Severed would like to have a word.

          • Radish

            Lol so your best argument that features are limited to handheld are a music game and a game that allows you to swipe with touch controls as opposed to buttons? Boy, docked mode really has it rough! I don’t know if I can take you seriously if that is your gripe. It’s like arguing that I can’t walk up to my TV and touch the screen to start Netflix when I have sit on my couch and use the remote to turn on Netflix instead. Different inputs don’t mean they are different features.

            Secondly, I specifically said Nintendo games, because that’s what Pokemon is. Not a third party/indie game.

          • Force

            Oh I’m sorry, I’m hardly giving enough of an F to pay proper attention anymore.

            Considering Game Freak’s laziness overall and their stupid philosophy of really wanting that handheld connectivity, I can see them restrict any and all multiplay to handheld mode with that in mind.

          • Radish

            I don’t think you understand how connectivity works. You can access Nintendo’s servers in both docked and handheld. How could the Pokemon Company restrict online connectivity of their game to just the handheld?

            Maybe if you paid more attention you would have better arguments.

          • Force

            I’m sure they’ll find a way. Maybe they’ll implement something that gets it to shut-off in offline mode, I mean they have something like that to make sure the touch-screen doesn’t do things in docked don’t they?

          • Radish

            See, you are so desperate for an argument to support your flawed logic that you have to grasp to hypothetical straws now. Touch screen doesn’t work in docked mode because the screen is IN THE DOCK. Why on Earth would you need to resort to a touch screen control when you have a controller while you are sitting on the couch? How uncomfortable would it be to have to sit or stand near your dock while playing just so you can touch the screen?

          • Force

            I’ll edit this post if I’m wrong and the functionality is the same across docked and handheld. I’ll even add GF doing a good job to the post.

          • Radish

            I’m sure you will. There is no reason to believe that since none of Nintendo’s games have had exclusive functionality in handheld mode.

          • Force

            All I’m saying, is that the Switch is rather new in that regard and not everything is set in stone yet.

          • Radish

            Ah, so you assume the worst to happen. All you have are assumptions when all the evidence says otherwise.

          • Force

            A pessimist can only be right, or pleasantly surprised.

          • Radish

            And miserable. And that “pleasantly surprised” bit only lasts a brief moment until they say “well this game and this game and this game were good, but im sure the next game will be terrible!” So you are never really happy with what you have since the future looks so bleak all the time.

          • Force

            I’m just taking a cautious approach. I used to look at from a different side, but MHXX taught me how wrong that one was. At any rate, I’ll be going back to playing XC2 now if you don’t mind.

          • Force

            “Well to be fair, it has broken into the European market better than it has historically.” And Historically was really bad, so this isn’t much better, LOL.

          • Radish

            Well you have to start somewhere.

          • Blackbishop

            The ones I’m looking forward are Days Gone and the new Valkyria Chronicles.

            I’m glad SEGA is developing VC4 for Switch, but since I prefer to play it on my PS4 I’ll buy it for it. The only reason I’d buy it on Switch would be if the game has low sales (in order to show my support) or if they show a VC Collection for Switch.

          • Radish

            I’m really excited about VC4. I’ve never played a game in that series, but the trailers they’ve released for it have sold me. The art style looks so good and the gameplay looks like fun. I’ll definitely be getting that on Switch πŸ™‚

          • Blackbishop

            You should try to play Valkyria Chronicles, it is available in PS3(although this one lacks the free DLC), PS4 and PC. Although VC4 occurs in a different part of the continent, it will help you to introduce you to its world and lore(Valkyrias, Darcsens, political landscape, EWII).

            Just remember to save from time to time when in combat in case you need to reload because messing up due to unforeseen enemy actions.

        • Radish

          Skyrim released for $60 and it’s an even older game than Payday 2. But it is a competent port and a lot of people found it worth the money. I guarantee WWE2k18 won’t do as well on Switch.

          • Force

            True, and even if Skyrim has all the DLC it’s the same situation. Same goes for Xenoverse 2 and every other game of the sort that releases in the same way (though XV2 is a far more egregious example than any other, since it had 0 DLC)

          • Radish

            What’s so bad about a good game selling well? I don’t understand your point.

          • Force

            It sets the bar that one can sell old games for full price, when they’re cheaper on other platforms and objectively run better, only because Switch offers handheld. It makes games more expensive for those playing home-console mode because their machine is also stuck with a handheld mode that has a majority of people approve of a larger price for something they don’t use.

            I’d say make it fair, have a game solely docked cost less, since it’s price is justified for a feature not being used.

          • Radish

            Again, you don’t understand the free market. If the game is good enough for that price, it will sell. If most people are not willing to pay that price, it won’t sell for that price. It’s the reason why Nintendo games are rarely discounted while third party games typically get cut in half or more over time. (Though Nintendo does offer “Selects” versions for bargain bin prices after time has passed).

            The interesting thing is that if third party companies see that they can sell their games for a premium on Switch, they will be even more enticed to put their games on Switch, especially with the quickly growing install base.

            Your desire for a game to be released solely docked for cheaper is so laughable. It would NEVER sell. It’s like asking for an XB1 X game for cheaper if they make it 720p instead of 4k. People buy XB1X for power and people buy Switch for flexibility.

          • Force

            “Your desire for a game to be released solely docked for cheaper is so laughable.” Sorry for asking for home-console users to get a bit of a bone here, already being given the middle-finger with the Switch as a whole.

            Just proves me even more how bad of an idea the hybrid concept truly is. People have different wants/expectations from a handheld compared to a home-console.

          • Radish

            You pretend that you speak for everyone here. We already have real statistics and data that show that most people use the Switch has a hybrid, while some use it exclusively as a docked console, and some use it exclusively has a handheld.

          • Force

            And even so, those using it as home-console are paying the same price as those playing on PS4/Xbox One for objectively worse experiences, only because it can go handheld.

            Since when is paying more for less good for the consumer?

          • Radish

            I don’t know, you may want to ask those who bought Switch to only play it docked. I don’t personally know anyone who bought a Switch for that reason.

          • Force

            I know a friend who wishes to eventually acquire one for the games solely, and is the type who just closes off their mind to the rest. Sure, if you ignore everything, then I can see how you could do it that way, but if you look at all the rest around, then you wonder why Nintendo bothered making it a “hybrid” in the first place.

          • Radish

            Because having more options is better. And 10 million+ players so far agree.

          • Force

            And how many of those 10 million people bought it for solely handheld? How many of them have never even unpacked the dock? I bet there’s a fair amount of these people, so don’t bring hot air in here.

            Those options are only good they amount to something. More power can always help make your game run better. Portability is only useful if you actually go somewhere.

          • Radish

            We already know how many. Over 50% of the people buying a Switch use it for both handheld and console, while a small minority use it one way or the other exclusively.

          • Force

            That was for Japan Europe and the US, which granted will house most of those 10 million, but not all of them.

          • Radish

            That goes for all surveys though. It is still more data than you or I personally have, and it is the only real evidence we have to go on.

          • Force

            And yet it’s incomplete and thus not trustworthy to really go on in that regard. We don’t know how many people we’re talking about here, for all we know, only 3 million people bothered to fill that survey, which would sketch a wrong picture against a background of 10 million.

          • Radish

            But you can never get everyone’s opinion. That goes for any survey done anywhere for anything. So you survey enough people that you get a legitimate guage of the market. And I don’t think you understand much statistics, but there is usually a +-% on each result to account for surveying error. And even with that, it is clear that most people use it as a hybrid. And it makes sense because the transition is so seamless and some games people prefer on a big screen while they are home.

          • Force

            Tell me, have you ever played docked before, and do you just look past frame-drops or lazy graphics when they come into your view?

          • Radish

            To be honest I only notice it if its frequent and egregious. If a game lags excessively it becomes unplayable. As for Switch, I don’t know yet because I am getting it for Christmas.

          • Force

            Aha…. well if you happen to pick up FE:W you’ll know my gripes with the lazy graphics. And if you use the object-freeze mode and walk around, you’ll notice the BotW frame-drops as well.

            When I speak of these gripes, we’re talking 50+ hours of going through gameplay. I didn’t play these games that annoy me for 2 hours and then came here to rant, which probably blows some minds of people who think I’m only one to rant.

          • Radish

            I think this is something that graphics wh0re$ will notice more than someone like me. Like I said, there is a certain point where graphics matter, and that’s when a game has trouble running to the point where it isn’t fun to play it anymore. But small hiccups here and there are not a problem. In fact, every game has those problems. Do you think PC, XB1X, PS4 games all run perfectly?

            This is like the people who say music sounds better on vinyl than mp3. Yes, when you dig into the technical details it does. But most people can listen to an mp3 and not lose enough quality to the point where it matters.

          • Force

            I’ve only really noticed the graphical part in FE:W, because as I’ve told you before, it CONSTANTLY zooms in on that horribly textured patch over and over and over again when playing that certain character.

            Sure, I’ve seen it in Xenoverse 2 in the surroundings, and it’s a little jarring, but that’s only when you’re flying around in the hub city. When you’re fighting and blasting people, that hardly matters.

            Let’s just say when a game has me notice such gripes, it could stand to be more entertaining.

          • Radish

            That’s fair, did you have the same gripes with Hyrule Warriors on Wii U then?

          • Force

            Didn’t actually pay attention to that in the slightest. Too busy playing the game.

            In FE:W, Frederick’s ending screen after battle has him pick up a rock from a patch of ground that looks lazily textured and contrasts rather annoyingly with him.

            I’ve had to struggle with my PC handling games while looking good. I’ve also told you that when everything fits, so everything looks the same, then even old games aren’t jarring to me. But as I’ve showed you my above example before, that’s when it really stands out.

            That and those Switch comparison vids enforce it as well.

          • Radish

            My point is that if you had no issues with the Wii U games graphics (y’know, back when Nintendo made a strictly home console), it seems silly to quibble over a patch of ground in a Switch game whose value is far more than the texture quality of a patch of ground you see with a specific character in the game.

          • Force

            *sigh* How many times do I need to explain this?! It zooms in on that, and if it happens 20 times, you’d get annoyed with that too, trust me.

          • Radish

            I probably wouldn’t have a problem tbh. Ever since I got my SNES Classic and modded it I’ve been playing a lot of SNES games and if you thought textures are bad in FE:W….you would never be able to play these games hahaha. If FE:W is a fun game I will pick it up. I remember playing Hyrule Warriors for the weaker Wii U and didn’t have any issues.

          • Force

            …. I’ve recently played Digimon World 2 on emulator. Those models don’t even fit and have gaping holes in them. I’ve nearly completed it and would happily still be playing it if the emulator wasn’t so unstable.

            I’ve started on a SNES, I still play games from way back when on occasion. It just annoys me in particular because it’s a lazy piece that shouldn’t have been. It’s KT skimping on development and getting away with it (There’s more pressing parts than just this graphical piece that proves that, such as how all the archers have the exact same moveset)

          • Radish

            The archer thing sounds like a typical Dynasty Warriors thing though. It’s a game built around having many enemies on screen at a time, a bit like an RTS in that regard. If they were to program each one of them differently the game would never be released because they’d be working on it for years and years Lol

          • Force

            And yet just about all the sword users (of which there are far more) have different movesets save for Chrom and Lucina, and Marth and Celica.

            I know from experience of having tried all of them.

          • Radish

            Oh, I thought you were referring to the enemies on screen. Okay, well I don’t know much about the game other than it is a Dynasty Warriors game with a FE skin.

          • Force

            It has some redeeming features in being able to direct your allies to objectives, even though it doesn’t work as well as I’d like to.

            Other than that, yes, core gameplay is the same. That said, you can at least switch characters on the fly.

          • awesomeparadise3

            If the scene bothers you so much, why don’t you just skip it? It’s only a button press away. I always skip those scenes because even the ones I like get boring after they get repeated so much.

          • Force

            Because other than that annoying point, it was a nice, character-fit scene. I don’t play the game anymore as I’ve completed it and it was starting to get boring due to how many characters had the exact same move-sets.

  • Justin McQuillen

    Why do people always cry so hard over the smallest thing?

    • Force

      The difference between a full-priced, though older game on one platform, and it being free/nearly so on another is quite significant, especially for those who are on budget.

      • Justin McQuillen

        You’re not even gonna buy this game. Why are you complaining? I doubt you’re concerned for other peoples’ wallets.

        • Force

          Go ahead and fork over the extra money then, it’s your loss not mine. I’m merely emphasizing that people have every right to be disgruntled about this, and every other game that comes to Switch at full price, but is dirt-cheap on other platforms. People are paying a premium for a (nearly always) lesser performing game, purely for portability.

          Is that how we want things going forward?

          • Justin McQuillen

            I’m not buying this game either because I played it a long time ago.

  • MΓ‘rio Sobral

    Very expensive! Old game. It was free on steam!

  • Indielink

    To all the people saying they won’t get the game because it was free on Steam one time several months ago: stop comparing a one time sale to the launch price of a game. That is not relevant anymore. The game is no longer free on Steam and the full game with all of the content is ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS.

    Why don’t we wait to see what extra content is available before we dismiss the game?

    • Force

      You’re defending paying launch price for an older game that costs less than half on other platforms, and runs better on those. I’ve no words for this.

      PayDay 2: CrimeWave Edition https://www.nedgame.nl/xbox-one/payday-2-crimewave-edition/9272794905/ 29,99 for both PS4 and Xbox One. But surely it’s worth it for portability, right?

      • Indielink

        CrimeWave Edition is content up until 2015 and is lacking 2 and a half years of stuff. Lower price justified.

        You missed the second bit of my comment where I said let’s wait and see how much of the game we are getting too. If it turns out this will be up to date with everything from 2017 then 50 dollars is a good price.

        • Force

          Even if it does match all the content exactly, you’re still getting less bang for your buck unless you worship portability.

          See, this is something where the Switch as a hybrid REALLY falls flat: You get the best handheld version, and the worst console version. If you’re not looking for both, nor handheld, you’re getting a bad deal, and thus Nintendo misses sales on all the sane people that see through this crap.

          • Indielink

            Now you are getting into a totally different argument here. One that you have had on several other occasions.

            There is always going to be a weakest console in any generation. You can’t fault devs for the power of the hardware. They still need to put in the effort to get the game running. They still have to get paid.

            You can be a fan of the Switch and still be sane.

          • Force

            Sure, but as I’ve said, the hybrid concept in the case of what Switch is now, means that those playing docked get a lesser experience because those playing handheld accept that. Devs have no incentive to really get the best out of it, because portability is used as a shield to deflect any and all criticism against a product.

            This is why a hybrid system should either be equal, or not a thing at all, since you’re always going to leave a side feeling left out and wondering why there’s blatant favouritism with one over the other.

          • Okami

            just play your games and shut up

          • Force

            Your kind are the reason why the industry is getting worse every year.

          • Zoon Politikon

            Damn, dude, you sure like to cry about the price a video game.

          • Force

            Where are all you trolls coming from? It used to be so much easier and better to just discuss with people….

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            You’re kind of beating a dead horse with this argument. I think it’s just commonplace for Switch ports to be a little pricier than their earlier counterparts. I do think it’s also unfair to criticize this particular port until we know two things; how well it runs in both modes and how much content it comes with.

            If it runs well and comes with most if not all the content in previous iterations, then the higher price would be (begrudgingly) justified.

            I myself would like to pick it up. But not unless I have a guaranteed three friends to play it with and right now that looks fairly unlikely.

          • Force

            I have the bottom mentality with every multiplayer game, which is why I no longer buy multiplayer games on my Switch.

            But what justifies that price? Just about every multiplat comparison proves that the Switch port is just worse in every way, unless it’s an indie. So you’re paying full price for portability, which not everyone uses! How can I not look at that with weary eyes?

          • awesomeparadise3

            Well, the price must be at least in part because of the higher manufacturing costs for the cartridges. I’m sure those will go down with time.

          • Force

            Sure, but then we’re talking overall cost. Again, the only reason they can warrant full price, is because portability is worth it to a lot of people.

            As someone who views portability, and docked, depending on who you ask, as optional, this isn’t acceptable. It should be such that either side can get the most out of it, unless Nintendo wants home-console users to feel like a side-part of the Switch, in which case, why even bother having the dock?

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            Just about every multiplat comparison proves that the Switch port is just worse in every way, unless it’s an indie.

            People act as if the hybrid is the grand saving grace, but forget that it’s not all sunshine and roses.

            I imagine it’s because people care a lot less about it than you. This is the first Nintendo platform in quite some time getting more than scraps and bone when it comes to third party support and not everyone cares about that graphics when it comes to supporting their platform of choice.

          • Force

            That is true, and it’s great that the games are coming, don’t get me wrong. It’s just a shame that the Switch comes out as worst from these comparisons.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            Who cares? It’s expected given the Switch is a portable tablet. As long as the games play well, the comparisons should not ultimately matter.

          • Force

            Who cares? Look at all the offended flutter-hearts in the comments at such comparisons when someone points out the obvious, then you know who cares.

            And personally? I’d like the dock to be better than it is current, but to each their own.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            The people making those comparisons in the first place are either intellectually dishonest or just stupid. Why compare the power of a tablet to a PC-esque console in the first place? It doesn’t change the fact that an actual gaming PC will almost always outpace both by a wide margin. This is why specs debates are so pointless.

          • Force

            I’d agree with you, if Nintendo called the Switch a handheld. They’re not, and thus comparisons are valid, since the Switch as home-console labelled, falls into the same category as PS4/Xbox One.

            If anyone wants to complain about labels, then I say deal with it. They’re a necessary part of life, since how else will you go to the store to find your product, look up what you’re searching for on google etc if things didn’t have a particular category to sort it in? Case rested.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            if Nintendo called the Switch a handheld.

            https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71Woxf5vAuL._AC_SL1500_.jpg

            If anyone wants to complain about labels, then I say deal with it.

            So even if it’s dishonest it’s fine to compare completely different hardware because of some weird superiority complex? Come on dude.

          • Force

            Look, the Switch falls in the same category as the other 2 major competitors in the console market, whether you, I or anyone else says so doesn’t matter. Nintendo branded it a home-console, and thus that is what it is from perspective of comparison, whether form-factor truly embodies this or not.

            Regardless, these comparisons would only be Nintendo receiving praise for how good the handheld versions of these are, and avoid comparison with home-consoles entirely. But Nintendo wanted the dock, and even if I’m happy they did, since I dislike playing handheld and feel that’s what I have a 3DS for, the dock could’ve definitely been better.

            People say the Switch is the first step to a true hybrid, but right now it’s 80% handheld and 20% home-console, if not more handheld. I hear you think “But that’s exactly what I mean!” But then we refer to the labelling and thus comparisons of. Nintendo chose this path, and thus they’ve accepted this part along with it.

            People who facepalm at how the Switch version runs with the rest, whether they keep the difference of hardware in mind, should not be overrun by rabid Nintendo fanboys coming to defend the Switch. These people should either be happy with what they want, or direct their dismay at Nintendo.

          • KnickKnackMyWack

            and avoid comparison with home-consoles entirely

            It’s not a conventional console. It’s a portable device that offers a home console experience.

            People who facepalm at how the Switch version runs with the rest, whether they keep the difference of hardware in mind or not, should not be overrun by rabid Nintendo fanboys coming to defend the Switch.

            That’s not what it’s about. It’s about silly people getting their panties in a wad because a portable tablet can’t run Doom at 4k60fps. Sony claimed the PS3 was a computer. I don’t see people believing that nonsense.

          • Force

            Wouldn’t that be false advertising then? All I’m saying, is that the dock could be far more than it really is, and that Nintendo isn’t exactly emphasizing that the way they are handheld, now are they? If you’ve got a hybrid, then make sure every part of it is functional and in the public eye.

          • Mark

            Gotta say, I agree with you, Force (well, except for the “should be equal or not a thing at all” bit.) Getting ports of these games guarantees that they’re going to start at full price on the shelf. It costs time and money to port a game, and there’s no sense putting it out super-discounted. If people are happy and excited about ports of XB1 and PS4 games, then they really need to acknowledge that there’s going to be a period of time where they’ll sell for full price on Switch too, rather than just coming out the door at bargain-bin prices.

            And I agree completely with your other statement: if you have a Switch and you’re not looking for it to be a hybrid OR a handheld, then it doesn’t make sense at all to buy your multiplatform games on the Switch unless you don’t have a competent PC or competing console. That’s just sort of common sense.

          • KCMOTO

            Same here mate. I use my Switch as a handheld with no future plans to dock it. I have a ‘on the go’ bag with my Switch, NN3DSXL and Vita ready for play.

          • Force

            You see, your 2nd part is why I wonder as to why the dock exists. I know there are more people like you know, even though I obviously have no clue just how many, it proves that people are more than willing to buy the Switch solely for it’s handheld component, which leaves the other part of the hybrid only part of the reason for purchase. Whereas if you’d remove it, then you’d also stop drawing comparisons between PS4/XBox One and CAN validly say that if comparisons are drawn, they’re not truthful since the Switch is a handheld. You can say that now, but it’s a hybrid, and that other part still exists.

          • zelgadis greywords
          • Force

            Your point? That’s only among those people who actually bothered to answer the survey. And that still means that people are paying more, for less, and are happy with that. This is how you set the bar for exploitation and lazy efforts.

          • Mark

            You’re perfectly welcome to your opinion, but you should understand that if your opinion is vastly disproportionate compared to survey data, then you should probably point out either evidence for why the survey was conducted improperly or how it had created a bias for one particular answer over another if you hope to have other people understand your point of view.

            I’m in an odd position because my lifestyle just doesn’t allow a docked Switch for playing single-player games. I sincerely doubt most people are in my same situation, and if I had the freedom to do so I would play on a TV.

            There’s something that I think you are missing, from a sampling of some of the posts on this giant thread: we’ve reached a point in technology where the difference between “amazing” graphics and Nintendo’s graphics isn’t very wide. You can certainly tell when looking at them side-by-side, or if you’re an avid gamer and have trained yourself for it, but the Switch represents a “good enough quality” of graphics. People are willing to sacrifice a slight downgrade of graphics in order to, say, play for a half hour in bed before going to sleep at night. It’s the same reason why people will pick up an XBox One: the PC is still superior, even compared to the X, but people want the convenience of a living room box instead of a PC.

            Again, if you’re the kind of person who values graphics above all else and can’t imagine playing something other than the most cutting-edge graphics that 2017/2018 has to offer, then the Switch isn’t for you. However, those people buying the Switch already know what they’re getting into, so I doubt that most people feel like they’re getting treated as badly as you are portraying.

          • Force

            I never said the survey was wrong, I just said that the details surrounding the survey are unknown, and thus one cannot make a valid assessment on those.

            I’m sure they don’t feel that way, but I’m saying that won’t exactly push developers to put in the effort either. If you take enough with less, how will you ever push developers to do better?

            And you say slight downgrade, well look at the DOOM comparison, that isn’t a “slight” downgrade.

          • Radish

            You missed his point entirely. The graphics on Switch are good enough for most people. When you say push developers to “do better”, how are defining better? Better graphics? That seems to be all you judge a game by. The market on Switch will allow good games to succeed and bad games to fail. Will WWE 2K18 sell as well as DOOM? I doubt it.

            For most people, DOOM is just a slight downgrade. They knew what to expect when they bought a Switch because it wasn’t advertised as the most cutting edge console graphics ever like the XB1X was advertised as.

          • Force

            “You missed his point entirely. The graphics on Switch are good enough for most people. When you say push developers to “do better”, how are defining better? Better graphics? That seems to be all you judge a game by.”

            Are you trying to anger me now Radish? Is that the point we’ve gotten to?

          • Radish

            No, I am just trying to understand your position and it seems like every response by you is about graphical capabilities. If that angers you, change your position.

            If Nintendo Switch wasn’t getting any third party games because of power then you would have a point, but so far we have been getting quality support that is going to increase dramatically next year and beyond.

          • Force

            There have been exclusions due to power, but it’s as if you miraculously forget my previous explanations about where I’m coming from. I’ve played 2004 games in this age and enjoyed them. I’ve come from Gameboy and SNES games back in the day, and you’re telling me I only care about graphical capabilities?

            My position? That we can have better than blurry graphics and that we’re not getting it, THAT’S my position.

          • Radish

            Most people don’t think DOOM and Skyrim and Resident Evil and LA Noire and Rocket League have “blurry graphics” on Switch.

            I love how you say you don’t only care about graphics but then when you restate your position it is about “blurry graphics”, thus proving my point. Lol

          • Force

            I genuinely believe you’re trolling at this point.

            We can also talk about how the Switch’s frame-rates are worse in LA Noire, or how the Switch has a ton longer loading times in RER 1+2.

          • Radish

            I’m simply going by the numbers, and the numbers don’t agree with you. Apparently most people don’t throw a temper tantrum over the texture of a patch of ground. Crazy, right?

          • Force

            You’re acting as if it’s my fault for getting that thrown in my face. I’ve heard similar responses to my own in regards to that.

            I’m sorry that I expect my nearly 400 euro purchase to do better than this. I’d better just buy retro-consoles to make sure you’re pleased.

          • Radish

            You had a choice. Perhaps you should have waited to see what the games looked like before you bought the Switch and expected it to look like PS4/XB1X.

          • Force

            Not like I had a choice when wanting Nintendo IP, and no that doesn’t mean I should just shut up and keep it at that, since that will never improve anything.

          • Radish

            Why would you want Nintendo IP when Sony and Microsoft IP offers better graphics? Exactly.

          • Force

            Now I’m 100% sure you’re trolling, and so you won’t get any more replies from me until you drop that attitude.

          • Radish

            What’s wrong? I thought restricting yourself to sitting in front of a TV was king.

          • Force

            Look, Radish, I really don’t want to add a block onto that, so I suggest we leave it at this.

          • Radish

            Why are you so angry?

          • Force

            You’re actively working towards that very goal of getting me angry. If you can’t see that, well then I’ve nothing left to tell you.

          • Radish

            I think you are upset that your own devil’s advocate trolling is failing. I remember the last time you pulled this stunt.

          • Force

            You call that a stunt? Oh that’s cute. But let’s stop while we’re ahead, we’ve spammed this comment section long enough.

          • Radish

            Yeah, better quit now before you embarrass yourself further with flawed logic.

          • Mark

            Actually, I was thinking of Doom. Sure, it runs at 30FPS and doesn’t have as detailed of textures, but it’s the same game, runs well, and the gameplay plays the same. Compare that to the Wii/PS3/XB360 days, when a multiplatform game (say, Ghostbusters) would be the same for Sony and Microsoft, but was a completely different game for Wii.

            Doom PS4 vs. Doom Switch only looks like a huge downgrade if you’ve only been playing video games for a decade or less. It’s nothing compared to, say, PS1 vs. N64. And when the game is essentially the same but the visuals are different, then it’s entirely possible for the version which can be played away from the TV to be the best version, because the feature of on-the-go gaming is one that may be more attractive to consumers than shinier, smoother visuals.

          • Force

            I don’t own it, but I’ve heard it has FPS drops, which is not good for a shooter to put it mildly.

            I would argue that sitting down on a comfy couch for big-screen experience isn’t a sin, something most if not all Nintendo fans want to abolish due to how their Switch is now the handheld king.

          • Mark

            ‘Course it’s not a sin. That’s why the Switch offers both options. And again, your assertion that “most if not all Nintendo fans” just doesn’t match what the best figures are for how people play their Switch. Totally fine if you believe that the survey is drastically skewed, but that opinion just doesn’t have any evidence to back it up.

            Honestly, I *want* Switch games to be compared to PS4 and XB1 games. I want multiplatform games like Assassin’s Creed Origins or Wolfenstein II to come out for all three systems, releasing at the same exact time. I believe strongly that the Switch’s potential to be portable is enough to allow it to compete against its graphically superior competition, even for people who half-and-half portable and docked. And if we have clear evidence that this is something that customers will choose over high graphics, maybe we’ll slow down this graphics arms race, get AAA games that don’t cost tens of millions of dollars to make, and encourage some more innovation between Sony and Microsoft.

          • Force

            There’s a sentiment I can agree with.

          • Radish

            Lol, so you were trolling this whole time yet again.

          • Force

            Wrong, because I never specified what part I agree with. It’s on you for assuming that’s everything πŸ˜‰

            “Honestly, I *want* Switch games to be compared to PS4 and XB1 games. I want multiplatform games like Assassin’s Creed Origins or Wolfenstein II to come out for all three systems, releasing at the same exact time.”

            I couldn’t give less of a flying dungheap about portability and all that’s connected to it.

          • Radish

            Then you probably made a mistake by buying the Switch, and I would feel bad except for the fact that you keep buying games for it so you must enjoy it. The PS4 is cheaper and offers just as many exclusives, but I guess you only want to play Nintendo?

          • Force

            I’ve got long-term attachments to Nintendo’s IP, it’s just such a shame that it’s held captive by the console it’s on. You can argue the same for PS4/Xbox One, but at least they offer you reasonable amounts of power if you don’t care for portability.

          • Radish

            Reasonable amount of power compared to what? PC? It’s all relative. Most of the people who don’t care about slight downgrades in graphics say that the Switch has reasonable amounts of power compared to PS4/XB1. Your same argument for PS4/XB1 can be applied to Switch.

          • Force

            Look, power can always be of use to everyone. Portability depends on your situation.

          • Radish

            And to most people, the Switch has enough power. But you assume that everyone thinks like you.

          • Force

            You’re just trying to twist my words to suit your needs, Radish. I’ve wasted enough of my time. People may be satisfied with the Switch as it is, I’m merely hoping the docked part lives through all of this crap.

          • Radish

            Not twisting your words at all, just responding to what you are saying with your own words. I’m just glad most people aren’t like you and won’t let a poorly textured patch of ground ruin their entire gaming experience.

          • Force

            Ah, but that’s only an explanation for that particular game. FE:W was enjoyable for that I’ve played of it, and that’s about 80+ hours in to completion.

            The clones though, that’s a far more egregious thing that I will NOT overlook.

      • Radish

        To be fair you currently pay $0 to play Switch online whereas you pay $60 for Playstation Plus and it gets hacked all the time. It’s not like only Nintendo’s platform has higher prices.

        Also, it’s a free market. If you don’t want that game for $50, don’t pay $50. Third Party games always come down in price eventually. They only launch it at that price because they know there’s a certain number of gamers who need their games on Day 1. If they can’t sell it for $50, the price will go down on its own.

        • Force

          Currently, and we all know that’s set to change.

          Also I get your free market argument, but then we get people developers looking at these numbers with heavy eyes and declaring that their games don’t sell. I just don’t like seeing people get shafted by this stuff when all the developer has as excuse for the price-tag is “Portability ya’ll!”

          • Radish

            The only numbers I’ve heard of were in the range of $20-25 per year for Switch online, which would still be less than half of what you pay on the other systems that get hacked all the time.

            I don’t think you understand. In many cases the developer releasing a game for the first time on the system starts off at full price to protect the value of their product. If their starting offer is $30, it is very difficult for them to put out a new game again for $60 because of price memory. They would be devaluing their own games. I’d be surprised if Payday 2 weren’t discounted within a few months of its release.

      • imo too expensive for a handle game, I know can be docked but still

  • Zoon Politikon

    cool.

  • hi v3.0

    Don’t care and still don’t care lol πŸ™‚

  • Bart

    That’s actually 10 less than what you probably should have been expecting you know…

  • Travis0526

    Guys, it takes time and money to port this game and the doc wasn’t free for the other platforms either. And to pay a fee for portability is worth is as well. It’s cheaper on steam because it does sell well there anymore if the demand was high as it is on switch it would be every bit of $50.

    • Force

      “And to pay a fee for portability is worth is as well.” Opinions, one that I vehemently disagree with in this case. They should offer options.