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Famitsu review scores (4/11/17) – Fire Emblem Echoes

Posted on April 11, 2017 by (@NE_Brian) in 3DS, News, Switch, Wii U eShop

This week’s Famitsu review scores are as follows:

Fire Emblem Echoes (3DS) – 9/9/10/9
Pro Yakyuu Famista Climax (3DS) – 9/8/9/9
Dungeon Travelers 2-2 (PSV) – 9/8/7/8
88Heroes (PS4) – 7/7/8/9
Darknet (PS4) – 8/7/7/8
Albedo: Eyes from Outer Space (PS4) – 7/7/7/8
Minna de Waiwai! Spelunker (NSW) – 7/6/7/9
Revenant Saga (PS4/PS3/PSV) – 6/7/8/6
Blasting Agent (3DS) – 5/6/7/5

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  • Very promising score for Echoes!

  • Vigilante_blade

    That might be a turning point for the series. Time for Fire Emblem to prove that it can stand as a series without fanservice

    • ForeVision

      Yet that heroes poll kinda goes in the opposite direction of what you’re saying here, doesn’t it?

      • Velen (Not WoW)

        He’ll probably be dismissive of it.

        • ForeVision

          May be, I just think that people have their own tastes, and they’re all to be given thought. I mean, you don’t hear me dismiss Zelda over the puzzles that I’m not a big fan of.

          • Velen (Not WoW)

            Problem is that Vigilante elevates his personal tastes over those of others and tries posing them as the tastes of the majority.

      • Vigilante_blade

        Certainly, but I hope people will play it and realize that the series can be more than this.

        • ForeVision

          It’s the sum of it’s parts in my humble opinion. A good turn-based tactical RPG with, whether disliked or not, relationship building elements. It’s one of the draws for me to start playing the series with Awakening, and I’d probably settle for playing the turn-based series on mostly PC if this element didn’t draw me in.

          • Vigilante_blade

            I line the supports, but I am also fine with not all supports ending up in marriage. I think that the goal of supports is to make you care about the character by building up their personalities.

          • ForeVision

            True, but marriage adds just that little bit extra, that part of putting “care” over the edge, at least for me. At the end of the day, it’s pretty much optional though, as you could avoid going for the last conversation that ends in marriage, so I hope they’ll continue it’s inclusion for future entries.

          • irbricksceo

            But does the marriage REALLY develop the characters? I’d argue that from older games i can find plenty of characters that were equally or better developed. But, at least in my opinion, its not the marriage that causes problems, heck older games had marriage for some characters too (FE7 had pleanty). Its the children. The children were acceptable in awakening where, silly as it was, the plot made sense for them. Fates though? it was forced, and it made no sense. and the fact that to get them all you HAVE to marry everyone meant that supports stopped being about character development, and became about getting it all.

            Finally, ALL that would be something tolerable if 1. the fanservice didn’t overrun in the game, and 2. if the supports in fates/awakening were half as well written as GBA era supports were. and I’m not saying all GBA supports were amazing, nor that all 3DS supports were bad (there were some I quite enjoyed), but I am saying that there was an overall drop in quality.

          • ForeVision

            Personally I don’t see the fanservice overrun anything. There were 2 blatantly fanservice characters in Fates: Camilla and Charlotte. If there are others, than I’ve not noticed them at all, and I’ve played my fair share of the game.

            The children were silly, yes, but most of the story is arguably in need of patching up.

          • Hidden Flare

            Did you look into charlotte character? Just want to point out she isn’t just a gold digger. They at least try to make sense of her. I believe some say xander’s support shows that.

          • Vigilante_blade

            True, and I also prefer a game to have canon pairings. It allows for more believable and engaging romances.

            I think Path of Radiance for example had top tier supports, and many do not involve romance.

          • Vigilante_blade

            If you want to play optimally, it is not optional. What they COULD do is make supports only make units give each other bonuses nearby, but not influence kid stats (or even make kids) at all and thus, you can therefore just pair up units you like together.

            The thing is that I like supports. I however also struggle with getting the optimal outcomes. Often, that means pairing up units I don’t want to pair together.

            For example, I hate Vaike in Awakening, but I married him to one of my female units just because I wanted Counter on her kid. Marriage mechanics actually harm my gameplay because I have to play counter to my nature.

          • ForeVision

            I can’t disagree with optimal having no place in the relationship mechanic, but I’m not sure if they’ll refrain from doing it anyway.

          • キロ

            There are plenty of people who like the marriage supports for the same reasons you stated, that it adds a little bit more of the “care” in there. : )

        • NintendoPSXTheSecond

          Well the series did try to be more than that, it’s called Radiant Dawn and while fans agree it’s one of the best in the franchise, it’s also part of Fire Emblem’s continual decline into obscurity and near-cancellation.

          • Hidden Flare

            To be fair that game did not help the west grow interested with the difficulty translation issue.

          • MagcargoMan

            Fire Emblem was failing and near-cancellation because Nintendo refused to market the damn series. It’s no coincidence that Awakening had a lot of marketing and did well.

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    • Pojomon

      What’s wrong with fanservice?

      • irbricksceo

        if I can’t play my strategy game in public because somebody will see my character bounce off his older sisters breasts? the fan service is overdone.

        • Pojomon

          You are over exaggerating no one cares about a random person playing a 3ds unless is a thug or a 3ds stealer

      • it’s not really “fan service,” it’s just overdone titillation for postpubescent boys

        • Hidden Flare

          You say that like there isn’t stuff for girls.

          • “we’ve got toxic waste for everyone!”

          • Hidden Flare

            Could of done better with your joke.

            ‘That lobster is made to provide thirst.’
            ‘Who likes some lovely ninja men.’
            ‘Sassy butler anyone?’

            That can describe it in simple terms for just fates.

          • u wot m8

          • Hidden Flare

            … Sure matey….

        • MagcargoMan

          So it’s fanservice then.

          • There’s nothing in the word fan that implies “16-year-old serial masturbator.”

          • MagcargoMan

            It seems you’re unaware that the word has two definitions.

    • what fanservice? I haven’t played Awakening or the last one but I’m curious about this

      • Vigilante_blade

        Basically, many characters are a trope for a fantasy. There is the tsundere, the yandere, the motherly type, the airhead, etc… For males, there is the perfect nice guy, the gruff but kind guy, the handsome dancer dude, etc…

        Basically, the games (recent ones) make most characters one dimensional and focus a lot more on pairing that actually fleshing out characters. They give them one gimmick, plays it off far too often, and meaningful discussion are replaced by romance.

    • hi v3.0

      You know… the series wouldn’t be still alive today if it wasn’t because of the “fanservice”, and fanservice is fine if done right and not going overboard

      • irbricksceo

        Except that 3DSemblem did NOT “do it right and not go overboard”. You LITERALLY bounce off of Camilla’s chest twice in fates. Cherche goes into battle in a backless outfit, Tharja and the rest of the dark mages walk around in translucent clothing, and lets not forget the face petting. Fire Emblem does not need that.

        • ForeVision

          “You LITERALLY bounce off of Camilla’s chest twice in fates.” That’s a commonly used (In Japan) anime trope though, which would arguably not translate well to the West, but I appreciate them at least thinking we can handle such humour.

          For all we know, the next FE may have very different inspirations, and become a blood-soaked battlefield, steeped in nothing but the grim noise of war, weapons clashing, bones shattering and many many corpses piled so high, it would have carrion fly away due to feeling their own stomachs revolting against them. Would that be a better Fire Emblem to you? Personally, I wouldn’t want to touch such a game, since it loses all emotion and likeability the series has for me.

          • irbricksceo

            I’m sorry, but how is that humour? It being common in anime should come with the caveat of WHAT kind of anime it is common in. I watch a lot of anime, and I can safely say that any anime with a tone matching the overall tone of FE does not use that gag.

            and I’m not saying make it dark and gritty, that would be terrible. My two favorite Fire Emblems are Shadow Dragon and Sacred Stones, neither one is particularly dark, and Shadow Dragon is actually pretty light-hearted). Fanservice is not the opposite of a darker tone. And while I’m at it, Fanservice can be found in pleanty of places in older games too, just done better. for example, Nephenee: http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Nephenee?file=Fepr-Nephenee.jpg

            Clearly fanservice, but its not as in-your-face

          • Hidden Flare

            Uhh I don’t see her as fan service, just from what you are showing me.

          • Evan Gustavson

            You crazy? That gag happens all the time in SAO.
            It’s humor because of the awkwardness of the situation that inevitably follows…

            You need to watch more anime if you think that dark-ish tones and that gag haven’t been used together.
            It’s called comic relief because it creates a bit of levity to relieve a serious situation of its seriousness.

          • ForeVision

            I don’t see any of that fanservice in there, and dark gritty is a path it could easily go down. May as well make it a Fire Emblem Warhammer cross-over at that point.

      • Vigilante_blade

        Awakening did not save the series… Marketing did. Awakening was the only game in the series to be agressively marketed.

        • Hidden Flare

          Gotta disagree, the good reviews and the large fanbase from nintendo directs helped. Awakening also made casual mode putting less stress on newbies. It did do a bunch of things and marketing wasn’t just that.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Every Fire Emblem game was reviewed well. It was marketing.

          • Hidden Flare

            What about other reasoning, oh don’t forget ‘math’ was in this game. Smash fans and older fans added. The children and support thing was a big fanservicy feature that got people in, though I can say its time we tone it down to not have the children, unless we have some cute shoots of them growing up and no ‘baby realm’ I’m not interested. But back to the subject, casual, auto save, the amazing cutscenes, and a bunch of other things did help. Any game can be marketed and be a good game but one doesn’t just join nintendo high ranks (with animal crossings) too easily.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Again, marketing. Awakening got a huge push. It was the ONLY game in the series to even get marketed in a meaningful way.

          • Hidden Flare

            You know just saying marketing and that isn’t enough to convince me. I mean I have no idea how animal crossing got popular when I was younger but how did it get popular and not fire emblem. Not saying the games were bad but it wasn’t what most people were interested in and were not popular around others.

            If you reply with marketing again I think I’ll just go with a agree to disagree route.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Marketing. It has been extremely aggressive. Fire Emblem already had legs to stand on but was always treated like a C-list series. With Awakening, they tried to treat it triple A in production value, and that got people’s attention. It was showcased relentlessly for months on end. Of course it was seen more than other games.

          • Hidden Flare

            Wait a minute, this series has been quite popular in japan and in fact survived just through them for a long time. How come it was dying around awakening! How come awakening had it gain more interest. I am 90% sure it was big enough in japan where it has plenty of marketing for all games.

          • Vigilante_blade

            It was never a huge success. It was acceptable, but Gaiden sold terribly and 4 and 5 did not do well.

            Those games received very little marketing even in Japan.

          • Hidden Flare

            Oh really.
            https://mediacraft.rockuapps.com/articles/sales-numbers-fire-emblem-series-in-review?page=2 These seem like good numbers to have seeing most games were japan only. Hey the fourth one seems to have a good profit on it, looks like they sold well, I can see the Japanese one before awakening wasn’t that good. Oh and raditant dawn didn’t do well due to the market not being interested. Hmm its possible it was because they needed casuals, where have I heard that word before. ;p

            Seriously man, stop saying marketing and accept that awakening did help the franchise. not even the first translated fire emblem game a million and I would think that had some good marketing then.

          • Vigilante_blade

            You won’t get me to lie. Those were terrible numbers. Radiant Dawn was poorly received due to terrible translation errors and because home console FE games do not do well. Furthermore, the Wii was a casual system and therefore, hardcore gamers were not playing said console. Casuals are now a niche. They are a minority in this industry.

            Again, MARKETING. Awakening was still the only game to ever be marketed well at all and you still fail to dispute this. Furthermore, you fail to take into account the core FE players who bought Awakening expecting better.

          • Hidden Flare

            Every fire emblem fan expecting better? None were happy with what they had? Bold statement man, gotta say i don’t think you can speak for an entire community. Not saying some thought it was the best but not every game can beat the last game.

            Casual never disappear, though some went from casuals to hardcore, more people are created and are casuals… If you understand what I mean.

            I just think that there was more then just marketing. Not every highly marketed good game succeeds.

          • MagcargoMan

            Putting in “Marth” was an example of marketing, specifically to draw in people who only know about Fire Emblem because of Smash.

          • Hidden Flare

            I suppose you got a point, it was used to alure in fans of marth. I do think there is more then just marketing, a good game with good marketing gets popular and sales go up. A bad game with good marketing will not, especially at a time with the internet on the rise, Sonic boom mostly failed due to this, that wii sing failed due to the fans not wanting it. The game was trying to draw more in but not simply by lots of marketing but adding stuff to make it a good game and a good gateway into the series.

          • MagcargoMan

            There are plenty of good FE games, but it is true that they didn’t market the games until Awakening. It’s no coincidence. I’m not saying it’s a bad game (I enjoyed it), but if it wasn’t for marketing it wouldn’t have done as well as it did and Fire Emblem would be dead.

            Look at games like No Man’s Sky and Destiny; games hyped up as hell and then they turn out to be awful… but they sold well because they got so much attention.

          • Hidden Flare

            I just am unsure, I think if it got moderate marketing as other nintendo games at the time it would still have high sales.

            I suppose that is a good point… then again pretty sure the wii u in general got good marketing (once it made others realize it wasn’t a part of the original wii) later down the line, around when smash came out and it still didn’t raise to become a good console despite a lot of good games.

          • MagcargoMan

            Smash didn’t save the Wii U because Nintendo was stupid enough to make a 3DS version.

          • Hidden Flare

            Yeah that may have hurt sales, there was a time the Wii U had a lot of great games, before they got ported.

            Still there was at one point where getting a Wii U was a good offer.

          • Evan Gustavson

            Excuse me. A good game with good marketing succeeds. Sure.
            A bad game with good marketing will still still fail.
            But you appear to be cherry picking scenarios that fit your analogy because you conveniently ignored the third scenario:
            A good game with bad marketing will fade into obscurity

        • キロ

          The notion it saved the series comes from the interviews where…well they say it saved the series. xD Though that is due to its sales, and hence the marketing, as you suggested.

          I agree that marketing is a large factor. Consider that it was the first Fire Emblem game that came/was announced with Nintendo’s new direct system, as well as worldwide farther into the internet age than those before it. Every year that goes by has so many more advancements in consumer accessibility and marketing tactics that, even if they did market the other games, they probably didn’t do so as effectively as they did for this one.

          It also helps they weren’t making random commercials about poisoning mutton and saying “trust no one” which had nothing to do with FE7. xD

          • Vigilante_blade

            Dorcas meme is hilarious. Here is hoping he gets poison strike when he gets released.

    • Hidden Flare

      There won’t be a series without fan service. Even zelda has fan service and everyone loves that game with little complaints on such fan service (which I point out was zelda’s butt, the gerudo though not as much as their first game they are still there, Impa’s grand daughter, and for the opposite side, Link especially their(slight spoiler)…

      Cross dressing scene (pretty sure thats fan service?).

      Still it works because its not hurting anything, heck I think it could go a bit further and still be good. Thats something fire emblem hopefully achieves. Just the right amount of fan service that doesn’t destroy anything in the story. Maybe be a bit explicit but don’t make it a main focus.

      Now can we stop calling this just fan service, fire emblem heroes and in fact warriors will be fan service. I know many people think of fan service is sexual stuff but it also has the definition of servicing the fans, like older fans. So if say math or lyn are playable in warriors that is fan services towards the fan of the characters and game.

      • Vigilante_blade

        Please remove that statement for the benefit of the readers here. You just spoiled a moment of Breath of the Wild.

        • Hidden Flare

          Dangit I thought I made many page spaces so it won’t be easy to see! Ugh.

    • キロ

      I wonder if it will encourage more remakes… because I think we discussed before how getting an FE6/7/etc remake would be both awesome but very scary too with the way they do the games these days. xD

      So will be seeing how that goes next week and whether we should continue to worry.

  • Pojomon

    Seriously those fire emblem elitist can’t stand a little of fanservice

    • Vigilante_blade

      Pojomon: Someone disagrees with me on the Internet, so I’m going to call him an elitist!

      Is that like… a millennial thing?

      • Pojomon

        Is the truth, you are an elitist just watch this

        • Vigilante_blade

          So I am an elitist just because a prepubescent child with a stupid username says I am?

          Again, your argument is “you disagree with me, therefore you are an elitist”.

          Let me try your line of thinking.

          “If you like dark chocolate, you are a chocolate elitist”.

          Let’s try another:

          “You like Pepsi? Only elitists don’t drink coke!”

          • Pojomon

            Stop babbling and accept the truth.

          • Velen (Not WoW)

            Give up man. He never will. You’re fighting a losing battle, and not because you’re wrong.

          • Hidden Flare

            I think you are getting the wrong idea. They are saying that they think you are very demanding of the series and seemed to only care when an old game is being remade. No offense man I am not saying you have to like the new fire emblem games but you deny some facts and are really forceful in your opinion… Also whats so dumb about pojomon? Is there a joke behind it?

          • Vigilante_blade

            I was referring to the name of the youtube video. And again, it is pure idiocy to call people elitists for disagreeing with you. This is how the “actual” elitists (elitist casuals) started to attack competitive players in the smash community.

          • Hidden Flare

            … Uhh saying how you hate elitist then calling others elitist is not helping your argument man.

            I think you should quit and take Velen Advice, though replace losing battle with ‘a battle you won’t win’ because no one is letting up and changing their opinion.

          • Vigilante_blade

            I blocked Velen. I can’t read what he writes and he knows it. He just keeps responding for some stupid reason. I know him from elsewhere and I have reasons for it.

            My statement is that marketing saved the series, which is undeniable. Casuals had little to do with it. Fire Emblem was a good game already. No one was aware of it however. Had the same marketing push been done to any other game on a successful console, the results would have been the same if not better.

            Also, there is a distinction with elitism. I haven’t called anyone names over disagreeing with me until then. The assumption that I am an elitist because I have an oppinion is an ad hominem. I can have a different taste without being an elitist. However, when one tries to brand me as one for holding a particular view, then he is looking donb on all who hold that view as an elitist. In a sense, he is a casual elitist.

            For example, many casual smashers look dowb on competitive players. They tell them they play wrong and that competition is bad. They try to force their playstyle on others and tell them to kill themselves over the crime of being good at a game. That is a form of elitsm. Skill, age and experience does not make you an elitist. What makes you an elitist is to look down at one group and express that disdain publicly. Calling me an elitist ironically makes him an elitist. He looks down on me for being a veteran player that enjoys the older style of game. Therefore, he is an elitist.

            It is time that we stop pretending that younger, more casual gamers cannot be elitists.

          • Hidden Flare

            i… think Im done talking about this now. I think I cannot convince you and you can’t do the same for me. I understand what you mean though but I suggest you don’t try to keep commenting on this and be forceful and just learn to say what IM saying here.

            Also I need to go to bed.. So goodnight.

          • Vigilante_blade

            What about my comment on casual elitism? What no one ever dares amswer to because they never have a counterpoint?

          • Hidden Flare

            Oh well I see them as wrong and they are another grounp that sounds wrong, honestly from what you’re saying they don’t sound like good people, espically on the kill yourself par. But i am not sure pojomon is a casual elite, maybe he did more to you then what Im seeing here but he just expressed his opinion and shows he disagrees. I think he could of been nicer but I understand why he thinks of some people being elite. Be honest there are elitist fire emblem fans, you may not be one, but there is likely some who are and berate those who support the newer games. I don’t think he what you say but I do hope he doesn’t try to attack you… And again you are very forceful of your opinion, know that no matter what you say you can’t change someone elses. Just try to stay away from him now and if he is disrespectful to you too much more then block him.

            Ok I’m done, goodnight.

          • Vigilante_blade

            Tell me, how am I forcing you to do anything? I have atrong views… That is not the same as forcing them on you. I assume that you are intelligent and wise enough to make your own oppinion, so I don’t feel the need to pull my punches. Believe it or, me being argumentative is my way of showing respect. I am not going to waste my time framing every single one of my sentences with “in my humble opinion”.

            There is really no grounds to call people who like classic entries elitists. I like Fire Emblem 6 and 9 the best. Apparently, that makes me an elitist…? Why? It is the same argument people use when I say that I like Melee and dislike Brawl. Can’t I just honestly like an older game better?

            The reason I called pojomon a casual elitist was to try and make him think about his statement. Branding all veteran fans as elitists is ironically a form of elitism. I call it out because more casual or younger players often think themselves immune to the label. Often, in the smash community, I hear casual elitists say “I can’t be an elitist, I don’t go to tournaments”… as if a bad attitude only happens at top levels of play. In the Fire Emblem community, I often hear “I can’t be an elitist, I like Awakening”. In the general gaming community, I often hear “you have nostalgia goggles”, which is another sentence for “you are old and irrational”.

            Also, I am well aware that I can’t just easily sway someone’s opinion. I am however a consummer and will argue my points. If one chooses to disagree, that is their choice.

          • Hidden Flare

            Ok maybe I just didn’t see it that way. So I suppose I understand.

            Maybe you were right to say that, I would of tried being civil and try to talk it out but that’s just me. Though I do think it goes both way ‘I can’t be a elitist fire emblem fan, I never played the older games’ or just substitute any games. Both sides say the same complaints. Point is these insults can be put on anyone so I think throwing on another isn’t going to help stop anyone.

          • ForeVision

            The sad thing about this argument, is that it’s very much a double-edged sword. The additions to Awakening saved the series, FE was meant to end with Awakening, but how that ended up doing became the surprise pillow pile at the bottom of the ravine.

            I can see how fans of the older entries look at these new additions and dislike them, but that doesn’t change the fact that they’ve played a part in Awakening’s success. At the same time, the newer fans, those drawn in by the additions sincerely enjoy these additions and would like to see their use continued.

            So this elitism aside, where will FE go from here on in? If you consider that the series has mainly been on handheld, and Nintendo wishes to continue supporting the 3DS, yet an FE title (which is probably not a spin-off) has been announced for Switch, then I am personally very curious to see where this road leads.

          • Vigilante_blade

            I was quite civil. I only set out to show this young man how his viewpoint was irrational and could easily be used against him. Differences in opinion does not make one immoral.

            I have never claimed that people who never played older FE games are not FE fans. However, I would very much urge them to try out a few, not because I look down on them, but because they are an interesting part of gaming history and they would likely enjoy them.

            As for letting it go… The smash community tried it. Most of the smash competitive community took it lying down. Since we did that, we were falsely branded as elitists and bullied for decades. Yet despite being the attacked party, we were branded as the vilains for it. So I will call out casual elitism when I see it.

          • Velen (Not WoW)

            You sound like a certain someone trying to put everything through an ideological pinhole.

            -and the way you’re talking, you make it sound as though only casuals can be elitist, when you’re turning right around and acting elitist yourself by basically saying “Casuals are a niche, screw them!”

          • Velen (Not WoW)

            I keep responding so people see what I write. It’s simply for the sake of calling you out on your flaws and when you just sound stupid in general.

            Not that you will ever see this unless someone brings it to your attention, but I don’t always disagree with you, but it’s rare that I do agree with you on any point, and on rare occasions you legitimately give me some mirth when you’re trying to be humorous.

            That doesn’t change the fact you are egotistical, continuously fabricating majorities to prop up your points, talk down to people who argue with you, and far too prideful to know when you’re beaten, and when the opportunity arises, use your knowledge of psychological jargon to manipulate people who are already leaning your way in terms of thinking or bias completely to your side, and all for the benefit of your own biases. It’s disgusting.

  • Airsh Bornely

    And to think Gaiden was considered the black sheep of the series. Simply beautiful.

  • TheJuiciest

    Fanservice is fine. The issue is how tastefully done, is it?

    Fates honestly was pretty hamhanded in that regard because they tried so hard to ape Awakening as well as adding whatever else they could think of like the Pokemon face rubbing thing. There were a lot of complaints about the story and characters too, so I’d rather they spent time addressing that next time before they work on some kissing mechanic.

    • Hidden Flare

      I don’t think the guys who wrote the story were the same people who made the kissing feature. I think they should of focused on giving hinoka more of a purpose (I know she was put into the position late but that doesn’t change the fact she could of done better) then what she was given.

  • NintendoPSXTheSecond

    Where in this article is fanservice mentioned?? Did I miss something here the commentors are talking about?

    • Velen (Not WoW)

      They’re talking about Fates and Awakening namely.

  • MagcargoMan

    I don’t really doubt that it’s good game, but I don’t really trust Famitsu scores given how highly they score Nintendo games (perfect score for Nintendogs, everyone?).

    Hopefully this means an end to the weeb-pandering but the damage is done, especially in Smash with it’s six Fire Emblem characters.