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Fire Emblem Fates removes petting mini-game in the west

Posted on January 26, 2016 by (@NE_Brian) in 3DS, News | 0 Likes

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In Fire Emblem Fates’ original Japanese release, the game allowed players to stroke characters on the 3DS’ lower screen. For the west, Nintendo has decided to remove this element.

Kotaku confirmed with the company that petting has been completely removed. In a statement, one representative from Nintendo explained while also defending the original intent of the Japanese version:

“Yes, that is the case [that petting isn’t in the English version]. You might have heard somewhat misinterpreted or exaggerated information about the Japanese original game, but even in the Japanese original version, we have not included any features which are considered inappropriate in Japan.”

Here’s a look at the petting in question:

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  • it’s cool that 99% of the dialogue about this game will now be about censorship now thanks NoA

    • R.D. Covenant

      It shouldn’t be. Nintendo actually FIXED the queer marriage in Fates to that same sex couples actually get a bonus for fighting together.

      I think it’s a shame that people will complain about being able to pet their husbandos in stead of appreciating that their husbando actually works properly regardless of gender.

      • daizyujin

        I love how you used the word queer only because it reminds me of a really bad translation I found for Kamen Rider Black RX calling Jak Shogun “The strongest queer guy” and referring to Riderman as “Black Superman.” Those Asian silver subs are always hilariously bad. I still don’t know why the Chinese use the word queer a lot in translations when it is not even close to any word in the original material.

        • sol

          That’s because the word 怪人in Japanese means that when directly translated to Chinese.

          • daizyujin

            So then in other words it is a problem of translating from Japanese to Chinese and then to English? I get it. Although isn’t it rather bad practice to translate to one language and then another?

          • Miles Manners

            When two kanji are placed together like that, they are typically read using On’Yomi, which is the Chinese reading. It’s not so much that they are translating from Japanese to Chinese so much that Japanese has a lot of the same elements as Chinese.

            http://www.tofugu.com/2010/03/23/the-types-of-kanji-in-japanese-onyomi-vs-kunyomi/

      • phagette

        >Nintendo actually FIXED the queer marriage in Fates to that same sex couples actually get a bonus for fighting together.
        That was always the case though.

        • R.D. Covenant

          Are you sure about that? From what I’ve read they couldnt reach the highest rank/bonus. I could very well be wrong or have misread. I’ll look it up.

          • Feyblade

            Same sex friends can get A+ rank, which is functionally equivalent to S rank, but lacks an S rank support and cannot produce offspring.

            Same sex COUPLES (of which there are only two) can get the S rank, however, they do not produce offspring during the course of the game. This means that Kanna and Eponine cannot be recruited if the same-sex couples are formed.

          • Fandangle

            Eponine is adopted though isn’t she? I don’t know about Kanna.

          • phagette

            She’s not, she’s Zero’s biological daughter through and through. She won’t exist if you marry him with a dude. Zero and [male] Avatar’s ENDING (in the credits) however says they adopt.

          • Feyblade

            IIRC in the Niles/Avatar paired ending, the game will imply that the protagonist and Niles adopted a Eponine, but you cannot get her ingame, nor can you get Kanna. I believe the same is the case with Shara, though the game might not even mention the adoption(which kind of makes sense, as second generation characters have no preset kids anyway)

            Really, they should have simply given a shoehorned explanation for Kanna and Eponine appearing even after a gay marriage. The Avatar’s kids are presumably going to be the strongest in the game.

          • Fandangle

            True, the game has a big emphasis on dimension hopping with the Awakening characters. I could see Kanna accidentally “falling” into the universe with memories of only the avatar and the other parent could act sort of like an adopted parent to her.

            It would kind of be a neat “poetry” moment considering who the avatar of this game is.

          • R.D. Covenant

            Thanks for the clarification.

          • phagette

            A+ Rank is not same sex marriage, it’s just bonuses from A. S rank is marriage and only three characters (including the avatar) can do same sex marriage. One is a Tharja recolor and the other is chocolate Dio Brando.

          • R.D. Covenant

            Ah, thanks. It appears I may have misread. My apologies.

      • ヒビキ

        Do you even play the game? You already get buffs for fighting with partners regardless of gender.

        • R.D. Covenant

          [game’s not out yet]
          [do you even play]

          But, I did make a minor error. I meant the max bonus not just “a” bonus. Here’s what I wrote elsewhere.

          “Are you sure about that? From what I’ve read they couldnt reach the highest rank/bonus. I could very well be wrong or have misread. I’ll look it up.

          EDIT: Yeah, I looked it up. Same sex can get A+ rank, but not S rank. Unless I misread some other posts, same-sex can reach the max rank in the Western version.”

          • Roarrik

            The A+ rank is kind of like best friend status achievable between certain same sex characters. It provides no stat bonuses as far as I’m aware but instead unlocks new classes based on who a character gets an A+ with. There’s only two actual romantic same-sex relationships and they do both get S not A+.

          • ヒビキ

            The game is out in Japan, you can at least watch full gameplay videos if your DS is region locked and you can’t play a mostly translated jp copy.
            Also you do know that there’s like only 2 people (Zero and Syalla) that can actually same sex marry each other in this game while the A+ grades are for buddy ranks right? S ranks still attain the same bonuses.

          • R.D. Covenant

            We’re talking about the localization, not the Japanese version :/
            And yeah I know there’s only a few that can same-sex marry, though I’m pretty sure it was more than two.

            That said, I thank you and the other two people for the clarification. I could have sworn there were articles about Western improvements to the game that included some gender related changes. It was apparently my mistake. I’ll have to look into it more.

    • daizyujin

      Nintendo was in a bad situation no matter WHAT they did. If they address it, then they look like they are being forthright but also that they have no respect for their products and that they are will to change ANYTHING at the drop of the hat due to the “possibility” of backlash. If they don’t say anything then they look worse because they are hiding it and STILL look like they have given in not just to complaints but merely the possibility of complaints.

      Then of course they could just not release it and then people would be mad. I get it that they are in kind of a no win situation but it still matters little to me. I will not buy the game. The changes are not only story related but are becoming day after day more and more continuous. I expect a few localization changes on things like names but when “modes and features” start getting excised no matter how inconsequential they may be to some people that rubs me the wrong way. (No pun)

      • Fandangle

        “Nintendo was in a bad situation no matter WHAT they did”

        I disagree. Sites like Kotaku and Polygon would go on their usual spiel but no one else would really care, no one who knows the franchise before.

        Fire Emblem is a shell of it’s former self but it has gotten MUCH darker violence wise and it makes me laugh that they’re still so afraid of sex that they constantly have to censor it in T or M rated games.

        I think the Treehouse is just a bunch of people who got into video games in their teen years on the Wii and bought into the whole “EVERYTHING IS PROBLEMATIC!” movement going on. Good thing the 3DS is hacked and the fan translation is already mostly finished.

        • Sites like Kotaku and Polygon would go on their usual spiel but no one else would really care, no one who knows the franchise before.

          You mean like how when Kotaku and Polygon made up lies about the hashtag that can’t be named and used the Game Journo Pros to push a false narrative that caused the mainstream media to jump in and demonize gaming for the past two years?

          I don’t really consider that “no one else would really care”.

          Gamers don’t care, sure, but normies get brought into a situation based on misinformation and that’s how games like Survival Island 3 get banned based on falsehoods or games get censored because of stupid outrage generated by click-bait artist.

          • j-Dank

            found the gator!

        • daizyujin

          Well I think you misinterpret what I meant. I agree with you and do believe that 99% of people would not have cared but it seems to me that Kotaku and Polygon are REALLY good at getting people worked up with misinformation. That is actually the worst part about this whole mess. Everything that is being cut is in actuality not really that bad at all and people would know this IF they sat down and researched things instead of just jumping on the bandwagon based on the stilted and one sided articles they read. Unfortunately…….nobody does that. 🙁

        • Mario

          “Fire emblem is a shell of it’s former self”. Why do I get the feeling that most of the people saying that are the same people that have played Fire Emblem games before Awakening? -_-

          • Fandangle

            Because most of them are. They got a new artist, the new games are incredibly easy to break and are way too forgiving. I mean, I don’t mind adding in modes that make it more accessible like “casual” mode even if it kinda defeats one of the big hooks of the franchise (Perma death) but Phoenix mode? It’s kind of insulting to older fans that you get a mode where you can revive units the next turn.

          • Cyntheta Luis

            I simply think it is quite bad for newcomers or anyone who wants to play this “game”, really, insulting is overreacting in my opinion. But hey, do what you wanna do. Its optional so I don’t care, but I do question “why add this feature to a game?” sometimes
            But I disagree on the former self part. For how long this franchise been going, the art style did change at least two or three times throughout this series’s development. Changes to the mechanics are often made (shove, magic, etc), plus, the new game improved upon Awakening.

          • Fandangle

            True, but Radiant Dawn was the high point, mechanically speaking of course, the DS shadow dragon remake and it’s sequel were two steps back and one step to the side and then Awakening combines all the weird mechanics together in something that is incredibly different still but it’s not exactly an equivalent to RD. The game is just simply too easily broken. It would be an amazing game by any other name but as a fire emblem game it’s just weird.

            If is an evolution of Awakening that’s still decidedly different but more familiar. Too bad that IS can’t seem to balance the games anymore. I honestly think that teamup units should be scrapped, the concept is neat but it completely breaks the game and they’ve tried to nerf it but they can’t seem to do it right.

          • Mario

            But isn’t that mode optional?

          • Fandangle

            It is optional, but it isn’t needed. There is no one in it’s audience that actually needs a mode that revives your unit the very next turn after they died. The only people I can think of are the “for story” people and the “for kids” people. The latter is not in the audience at all. the game SHOULD be rated M and if not T so casual modes for kids is out.

            As for story, well fire emblem isn’t a game about story. It certainly didn’t get famous for it’s easy difficulty. It’s famous for Perma Death and it’s unique take on what most would consider traditionally western fantasy setting. The games have always had story but they intertwined with the mechanics in game.

            Some people might end up saying “well, what’s the point?” and honestly, there is none if you get rid of everything that makes Fire Emblem Fire Emblem except for the minor reoccurring story elements and shuck difficulty to the wind like they have been doing then there is no real point for older fans to stick around.

          • Meogeo Meogeo

            As an older fan, I don’t have to play that mode. I can still play with my perma death and be happy. It shouldn’t bother or insult you if other players want to use one of the casual modes.

          • Fandangle

            I used to think that way too, then when you think about it, it degrades the fanbase, like I said. It invites new fans in who “don’t care” about the challenge or difficulty or even the older installments because they’re “too hard” and then the series begins becoming geared towards them instead of hardcore fans.

            Take Elder Scrolls for example. Skyrim is not even close to being as deep as Morrowind mechanically but it’s still more popular. Why? Because Oblivion began introducing more “casual friendly” mechanics to the series and skyrim took that and ran with it. I’m not saying it will ALWAYS happen, but it tends to when casuals outnumber the original fans 100 to 1 and then casuals become the main audience because they bring in more money. So many japanese series have gone mobile because of this. Solatorobo, Fantasy Life, the ENTIRE mistwalker team, and so forth.

            Same reason IS doesn’t make more advance wars and instead push out bad paper mario games and Pushmo (though there is absolutely nothing wrong with pushmo, it’s great) because they sell incredibly well and make more money.

      • DukeMagus

        Strongly disagree with that one. They could’ve come clean and explained the controversial scene, like this guy did:

      • Nathan Brooks

        They could just you know.. not make stupid censorship decisions. not remove content that isnt hurting anything.

    • kthanxyousuck

      Who cares. When it launches and everyone is enjoying it, none of this will matter. Similar to Xenoblade.

    • RoadyMike

      The salt is too real XD
      In all seriousness, this seems pretty ridiculous to get rid of in the west. But since I’m not into Fire Emblem, I could care less. The reactions were expected and entertaining to see though

    • dannyxzero

      lol so true!

  • Aline Piroutek

    WHHY??? Do censorship guys realy need to work???

    • Aline Piroutek

      I expect more than 40 comments on this comments section.

    • Omnom Bacon

      Honestly this isn’t relevant to American culture in the slightest.

      • Guilherme

        And the Pokémon Amie?

        • Jose

          At least with Pokemon it makes sense.

        • Omnom Bacon

          There’s a slight difference between a human walking around and a pet you keep stuffed in a ball on your belt. Or digitized and stored in a computer.

          • Roarrik

            1. All of this is made up. None of these characters are real. They are fictional characters in a fictional world displayed on a screen.

            2. Amie lets you touch their whole body. Fates lets you touch their face. Touching your pet wherever you want (private parts included) is more acceptable than patting your little sister on the head or touching the cheek of your spouse? Explain to me how that makes sense.

            Amie left way more room for abuse, no reason The Fates petting should have been removed while Amie was kept the way it was.

          • Chico Maroto

            Like this. Someone removed my original post

          • Chico Maroto

            Like this. /watch?v=wqg8JQcQbGU

          • Omnom Bacon

            As you said, it’s all fictional. Aside from a very small minority of people do you really think patting someone on the head is gonna influence their opinion of you, other than making them think you’re weird? What’s the first instinct most people have when seeing a pet? Yes, to pet it. And petting animals does change their opinion of you. And yes, there is a reason. They felt it should be like that. Just because you don’t agree with it it doesn’t make it a wrong decision.

          • Vivi

            dude, i’ve forced all my friends to pet my head, it’s actually rather comforting

          • Mario

            Who would abuse a pokemon?

      • Nathan Brooks

        So it needed to be removed? Thats dumb.

        • Omnom Bacon

          Needed? No. However it’s like removing a piece of your burger the size of a grain of sand. Sure, it’s missing, but will it detract from the whole? No.

          • Nathan Brooks

            then why do it? and how much it will be missed/could have been enjoyed varies from person to person, and all of them deserve that option to have use it.

          • Omnom Bacon

            Ask the people responsible for removing it. It wasn’t my decision.

    • Felipe M.

      You guys are such hypocrites for some things you’re against it but others, let’s say, Project Zero/Fatal Frame removed costumes you’re A-OK.

      Just make your minds up.

  • Tanner

    did anyone think this would stay in, honestly?

    • Deses

      Yes

      • Exposer

        Really?

    • ecoutercavalier

      Pokemon had it… haha

      • Exposer

        But Pokemon are animals, not teenagers.

        • ecoutercavalier

          I think that as long as it’s consensual, pet and let pet.

          • Reggie

            “Teenagers”, though. That’s not appropriate.

          • ecoutercavalier

            It’s not sex. It’s a head rub. Nothing illegal, just a little unusual. Get your mind out of the gutter.

          • Exposer

            Okay…Go and pet a girl if you are not in jail tell me.

          • ecoutercavalier

            They put me in jail 🙁

          • ben osborne

            It’s funny you should mention that because I’ve pet several girls on the head before this and am clearly not in jail. Either way it’s a video game, can’t exactly call petting a human being in a video game illegal especially since it’s just meant to show affection…

          • couky

            IT IS A FICTION!!
            Grow up man! Are we all accomplice to murder when we watch a tv serie like Dexter ? Answer is “NO”!!

          • hhog

            All depends on who it is. There’s nothing wrong or weird with stroking someone on their head, -if- you know them.
            Yes, of course you will get weird stares if you “pet” a random kid at a public playground, but a younger sibling, or the kid of a friend you hang out with, something like that is perfectly normal.
            Of course, if you do so for any longer than needed (like… well, in the Fire Emblem video from this article, I suppose?), then it does get weird, I’ll concede that much.

          • Unless you are going around petting random children, then I think it should be fine.

          • anon

            You know you kill people in this game right? Petting: inappropriate. Murder: appropriate. Got it.

          • Roarrik

            Head rubbing is clearly super lewd and inappropriate. I mean did you SEE the way the stylus was poking her hair? SO lewd. But seriously though, i don’t care that much about it but it is a bit stupid it was removed. Change the dialogue don’t remove the feature all together. Pokemon had it and you could touch anywhere not just their faces. Yes they’re animals… doesn’t mean there was any shortage of freaks touching weird spots.

          • Moogy

            lol if that was the problem then they seriously should’ve considered deleting the sexual contents from Dragon Quest 8

          • Walther Eghus II

            Head pats and hand holding are too lewd for the puritan western audience

          • Nakua

            For the puritan Us, don’t include the rest of the western countries in the list please, is very offensive.

          • Nathan Brooks

            its head patting. and theyre fictional characters.

        • Elijah Johnson

          You realize these “teenagers” aren’t real right?

        • Roarrik

          So… correct me if I’m wrong… but touching a human being’s head…. is worse then touching an animal wherever you want? Don’t try to tell me people didn’t abuse Pokemon Amie because we both know they did.

          • Tao

            Depends on the context.

            No matter how people are trying to spin this into something innocent, it’s not and it’s not the same as Pokemon Amie.

            I don’t ‘pet’ my partner the same way I pet a dog, and I don’t ‘pet’ teenage girls because otherwise a big butch man named ‘Hammer’ will be petting me in a cell.

          • Roarrik

            It’s as innocent as you make it out to be. People who have their mind in the gutter and overreact to everything are the reason stuff like happens in the first place. America and the western world as a whole has became so overly sensitive to things it’s absolutely ridiculous.

          • Yeah I agree the Western world they’re a bunch of…. you get what I mean the only thing I have to say if someone does not like a feature than don’t use it but most people forget that they CAN make a choice.

          • Tao

            …As though the petting is in no way meant to be sexually orientated.

        • Yusei Asakura

          So it’s okay for furries to molest animals

        • daizyujin

          That kinda makes it a little worse without context. 🙂

        • Tristan (Chili1)

          But that had lewd implications in its own right and many people joked about it for quite a while.
          I say this as someone who finds several Pokemon attractive.

        • Brianna A.

          If pokemon are animals, they can’t give consent :c

    • Derp Minos

      Why would it had been removed? It was super tame.

      • Tanner

        Yes, rubbing your sister’s face and having her saying “OH yes, touch your big sister more, this is the best way to increase our relationship” is super tame

        • Akemi Homura

          Would you have preferred like the other touch games in Japan where you can grope them anywhere on their body or pull up their skirt?

          • The question here is not preferring one or another since both of them are weird and gross (since the characters look like teenagers/children).

          • Chaos15

            Camila and dat teenager body.

          • TheOneandOnlyGamer

            There are men and women in this world who look like children.

          • Tao

            …Yes.

        • They could have changed the dialogue instead of removing a whole feature.

          Point is: NoA censored petting someone on the head for being “inappropiate”.

        • Derp Minos

          Are you an actual idiot? It’s PETTING. There is nothing sexual about it you dumbass. Are you Americans so scared of sex you started to think even petting is sexual now?

          • Akemi Homura

            Apparently so, since even accidentally touching each other and bumping into each other can be construed into something sexual these days. Just look at that New Year’s Syrian migrant incident in Germany. One of the German officials said that women should be at an arm’s length away from strangers at all times. This is the kind of world we live in today…

    • Burning Gravity

      Yup, I expected the worst

    • Bambe Danielsen

      Well, yes. It’s just petting, as far as I understand. How bad IS that?

    • ヒビキ

      I didn’t pre-order the game knowing that it’d be removed. Assuming the news is true, I wouldn’t find it surprising that Treehouse would do something like this.

    • Raiden

      You can do it for both Male and female characters. and you can’t touch them in inappropriate places. Not even Camilla, who has a bust so large it has a separate animation model.

      Not to mention it’s a T-rated game. Since when are teenagers so offended by a little risque content?

    • Censorshitsucks

      Yes. Why wouldn’t it? Who’s even bothered by this?

    • Nathan Brooks

      Why shouldnt it? why was it ever questioned in the first place?

  • “Here’s a look at the petting in question:”

    Never thought I’d see this sentence in my life.

  • Sleepy Abra

    LOL keep this up nintendo …….. we are kids…. best of luck to you with the NX

    • Exposer

      We are not kids…We are squids.

    • daizyujin

      I agree that it is time Nintendo starts positioning their products in more diverse markets. They treat everything as if it has to be “mass media friendly” even when a product really has no mass media appeal or really any appeal to a nine year old. It is a position they really need to rethink. I don’t see why this game getting an M rating and being marketed like Bayonetta 2 is a problem. I don’t know of a single parent that would buy this for their kid and I don’t know any kids that want it.

      • Dnetwork7

        You also have to remember, most kids these days play Call of duty and other shooters.

  • drykirby

    frankly im glad because the petting minigame was kinda really creepy? with that and removing the gay conversion i’m hoping they’ll be toning down the more disturbing parts of fates… maybe that’s just me

    some guys are working on a fan translation of the japanese version so if you want your face petting try looking into that

    • Deses

      If it bothers you, then don’t use the feature?
      Some people were bothered that you could fondle Mr Mime’s crotch in Pokémon XY, but it was there nonetheless.

      Although yeah, a flashcard to use that fantranslated option is not more expensive than the complete game.

      • drykirby

        it’s kinda hard to ignore something like that… the face petting mechanic is a pretty big deal and there’s a whole option in battle where you only use attacks that undress the opponent. i’ve never been big on fire emblem to begin with but the direction they’re heading doesn’t seem to be the most necessary… maybe that’s just me

        • drykirby

          but if i’m being honest i don’t play fire emblem at all. so if face rubbing is what the players want, i dunno, maybe that’s important to them. i’m just kinda glad nintendo’s taking the high ground here. again flash carts are always available if you want the “original” experience, i suppose, yeah?

          • Pirate_Man

            Maybe you should be in an actual relationship for once, instead of telling people who actually love each other what to do and not to do, which apparently your doing right here.

          • Tao

            What does a real relationship have to do with Waifu’s in a game?

            This is why Fire Emblem is losing its touch.

          • Akemi Homura

            You sure? I don’t know, fam. At the rate they were going with the decline that probably began with Radiant Dawn or Shadow Dragon, they were not going to last by doing the same thing they did in the past. And when Awakening came out with huge success, it’s evidently clear where the interests now lies.

          • Nathan Brooks

            Its not a “high ground.” its stupid something like this is completely removed.

      • Burning Gravity

        The “optional” argument is the worst. It’s part of the game and it affects the atmosphere amongst other things

        • darkgamer001

          Then don’t buy it if you feel that strongly about an optional part of the game?
          At the end of the day, it’s what the original devs wanted, but boo hoo, time to cherry pick what I want and don’t want from that vision

          • Anonymous

            Them not buying it because they “feel that strongly about an optional part of the game” is exactly what NoA wants to avoid. NoA also wants to avoid that people “feeling that strongly about an optional part of the game” might shame others into not buying the game. That is why the feature is removed.

        • daizyujin

          Then don’t buy it if you feel that strongly about it. If a director made a movie with a scene in it that you didn’t like or made you feel uncomfortable would you expect that to be edited out just to “make you feel better.”

    • Leo Lee

      The petting isn’t creepy?
      What’s with the use of “creepy” on everything that isn’t necessarily normal.
      Point is it wasn’t something that should have been removed, that’s just stupid. Along with the “gay conversion” which if you read into it and got your facts straight. Wasn’t even a conversion in the first place.

      • daizyujin

        Oh my god dude! You mean I am supposed to read into something more and actually do research to find out that everybody was basically trumping something up as a rape simulator when it wasn’t? You are asking too much. (This is total sarcasm just on the chance it is not obvious. That is exactly the problem. Nobody researches anything. They just believe the first damn thing they read.)

    • couky

      If you that’s creepy then it’s you who has a twisted mind.

    • Pirate_Man

      Petting a woman’s head is not creepy at all, it’s in fact what actual what people who are they affection to them to do.

      If you want creepy go and play Valhalla knights 3 where you have a full on groping and feeling mini-game in the Red Light District. You actually need to do this as the girls who actually join you is the only class with a dispel ability and a lot of monsters and quest goals use massive buffs on themselves.

    • Velen (Not WoW)

      Except the gay conversion… was never a thing, it was people running wild with their assumptions.

    • Fandangle

      It wasn’t a gay conversion. It’s just another case of Americans looking too far into subtext that only they see.

      The deal with Soleil is that she had a crippling weakness for “cute girls”, it was never stated or even implied to be lesbianism.

      ” the more disturbing parts of fates.”
      Have you EVER played a fire emblem before awakening? If this sexual stuff disturbs you then I’d love to see what genocide and war in the earlier games does to you. FEA and FEF are pretty sugar coated in comparison.

      • TheOneandOnlyGamer

        Thank you for being wise in this situation. There was never any gay conversion and this “petting” being disturbing is truly opinion – especially when there is so much violence and decapitation overlooked in games today. It is true that this person has never played a FE game.

    • TheOneandOnlyGamer

      However, I didn’t find it creepy and there was never any “gay conversion” – I don’t blame you but it truly shows how misinformation is all over the place for this game.

    • jsty3105

      There was never any gay conversion. That character was always bisexual and the no conversion happened.

    • Tristan (Chili1)

      The fan translation is actually really difficult to access and if you don’t edit your 3DS correctly you can brick your 3DS. Also I hear if you do that you can’t access the eshop. At least not unless you update and reverse all the trouble of hacking a 3DS just to play a game in its original format.

      • Fandangle

        It’s not that hard. Bricking your 3DS is an incredibly slim chance and it mostly only happens if you don’t follow the instructions correctly but once you do it’s as simple as going into an app and selecting “install file” and then waiting for the game to install on your 3DS.

        The biggest hurdle is the invisible Kingdom third path because people are still working out on how to actually apply the translation to it.

    • Nathan Brooks

      There was no gay conversion to remove in the first place. it was never there. stop helping the spread of disinformation.

    • Adam Zaorski

      I find you creepy, get censored.

    • maybe you should not play the game at all since it’s clearly not suited for you instead of having it modified into something that it’s not?

    • Ryuseii Masamune

      May as well remove the gay marriage as well then,censor nothing or censor everything. This is getting 4kids bad

  • Rhinopotamus

    Um… this seems like an odd mini-game to include in the first place. Maybe the developers were fans of Nintendogs.

  • Exposer

    The bad part: This is a very odd censor.
    The good part: I play Fire Emblem, not Waifu Emblem, BTW i think that Sakura and Elise could be pet too…Just remmember they are still little girls.

    • couky

      People like you didn’t liked enough the serie, IT WAS DYING without those new features, so screw you! Some dating stuff ain’t bad!!

      • Awakening had marriage and improved Support system with Pairs and passing own skills.

        Not so stupid minigames petting humans and touching there bodies like they are some animal or Pokemon.

        • Roarrik

          You could only touch their faces, nowhere else. Get your facts straight, people spreading misinformation are part of the reason this turned into such a fuss.

      • Sam Mostow

        Series was dying because of lack of marketing lol. The DS games sold well and the worst-selling game, Radiant Dawn, sold poorly because they decided to release the day before Super Mario Galaxy with no advertisement. Yet even Radiant Dawn still sold 2x as much as what Awakening needed to to keep the series alive.

        • Akemi Homura

          Was that the case in Japan? Because whatever happens there matters here. That’s why FE 12 never got released overseas, because it did very poorly in Japan.

          • Meogeo Meogeo

            FE12 was also a late release for the DS. It’s most likely NOA/NOE didn’t want to translate large amount of text for a small number of sales. The cost of bringing it over wasn’t worth it. If it came out earlier, I feel like Nintendo would have brought it over.

            Japanese sales don’t always effect releases over here. I think the Advance Wars series is a good example of this. I’m also sure Glory of Heracles bombed in Japan, yet they still brought it over here.

    • Velen (Not WoW)

      Lets also remember the age of consent in Japan is actually different than in the West….

    • Fandangle

      Little imaginary girls that aren’t really children because they’re strings of code.

      Honestly who cares? The minigame was optional, in a sane world removing it would cause more controversy than leaving it in purely because of this. It’s like people defending Lyn’s censorship. And in that game it becomes EVEN MORE ridiculous after a certain plot is revealed. And then there was Fatal Frame, where the two girls who got censored were 21 and 17, but people latched onto the 17 year old, omitted her actual age several times and just threw the word pedophile and pervert around.

      It’s VIDEO GAMES. If you really care or even think that this is bad enough to get removed, I’d love to hear your opinion on GTA and it’s ridiculous portrayal of violence.

      Violence is A-ok but suddenly when it’s sex it’s bad and justified?

      • Akemi Homura

        That would be (and is) the most reasonable and rational consensus. But then again when has humanity and society ever been reasonable/rational?

  • Derp Minos

    Really pathetic of them. There was nothing to censor. Yet another game butchered by censorship by Nintendo of America.

    • timZ117

      Yeah totally. Rubbing faces was a major part of the story in fe fates. Damn you nintendo!!

      • CosmicKirby

        Imagine if they had removed Poke’mon Amie from western releases, because they were concerned that PETA was going to make a huge media bonanza out of players being able to ‘torture’ pokemon first-hand.

        • timZ117

          I literally never touched (pun intended) pokemonamie in my life.
          I would be fine without the feature.

          The reasoning sounds a but ridiculous, but hey thats their vision for the game in the west, so be it.

          • But Pokemon Amie so much better for raising your poke’s happiness than the old methods, and more fun at it, plus you feel like the pokemon is your actual friend/pet like a real life dog or cat and not a fkin’ emotionless battle machine.

            That being said it is petting actual “animals” much more normal and acceptable than petting humans in FE:Fates…haha it seems sort of unnecesary, this is not Conception or Persona!

          • Riku0493

            Except it doesn’t even affect happiness whatsoever.

          • Donovan E Hart

            While it didn’t affect happiness it did affect friendship. Your pokemon got bonus effects depending on how close you became with them. This was also the only way to get Sylveon. I’m not really upset about the Fire Emblem change though, I liked the series before Awakening, I’m sure I’ll still like it now.

          • Riku0493

            … Those two words tend to refer to the same thing.

            Affection is what Amie affects.

          • Donovan E Hart

            Oh yeah, that’s what I meant sorry.

  • Izak Fullmetal Gainor

    Well, looks like I’m getting a Japanese New 3DS and all the fire emblem games in japanese.
    Thanks, Reggie. Really, thank you soooooooooooooo
    much.

    • Exposer

      Still you are giving your money to Nintendo…

      • Akemi Homura

        But not NoA. They don’t get any share that the main Japan branch makes.
        NoA was the one who made this decision.

        • Still Nintendo.

          • Akemi Homura

            If NoA doesn’t get any revenue, then it would hurt their side of the profits. If that were to happen on a much larger and more frequent scale, NoA would most likely have to close down. But I’m sure that won’t happen anytime soon.

          • which is why I said still Nintendo.

        • daizyujin

          Actually if you REALLY want to stick it to them either A don’t buy it or B buy it used. You could also go with option C and pirate it I suppose but of course that has it’s own complications. Buying it from Japan however still puts money in their pockets. Honestly though I would just go with option A and say the hell with it. Nintendo doesn’t deserve any money for the way they are going about this game in the West.

          • Akemi Homura

            Only to the Japanese Nintendo HQ. Not NoA still. If it NoA were ever to do horrible in sales, then they would have to close it down and then most likely never do business in NA again, remaining exlusive to Japan (and maybe other countries besides NA, if they are still doing well over there).

            I mean Konami saw their numbers being higher with their pachinko industry, so they closed down their game studios to opt out for a more better flowing revenue for themselves in the motherland. And I’m sure Konami doesn’t need a Western branch for pachinko machines since that’s almost purely a Japanese pastime.

            I personally would rather put money in Japan’s branch’s pocket because they are the ones who makes the games, not NoA. NoA just simply takes something that already exists in Japan and just reforms it to NA standards and distributes. Why would I pay to a branch that mainly gave censorship and poor voice actings?

      • Sleepy Abra

        i do not even own a 3DS XD

  • Reggie

    People are going to complain about the censorship, but honestly, this has been a thing that Nintendo in the west has always done since the NES days. Quit freaking out like this is some new thing.

    If I were getting FEF (which I’m not because I’m not too interested in FE in general), then this change wouldn’t matter to me and wouldn’t change my hypothetical purchase, just like how XCX’s lack of boob adjustments didn’t matter to me at all.

    • Sleepy Abra

      i still miss my boobs adjustments…

    • TheKKM

      And back in the 1910’s people were dying of Spanish Flu. Do you have any argument that isn’t “that’s how it was done in my day, that’s how it has to be done now!”

      • Reggie

        Oh shut up, that wasn’t my point. My point is that Nintendo have always censored things in their games. I’m watching all this and the way people have been going on about all of these recent censorship is as if they’re acting like all this is a new thing, when it in fact isn’t.

        • Akemi Homura

          It hasn’t been anything new, but it’s now even affecting games that have long since evaded censorship like DOA or Street Fighters. I can understand if it’s E rated games or games that was intended for Family Entertainment, but when it starts to affect T games, and who knows maybe even R games in the future *coughsanandreascough*

          • Reggie

            I guess I should clarify myself a bit.

            As much as it may sound otherwise, I actually don’t like censorship. I too am also fed up with how common it has become. Some content, however, I do feel is better off censored because it can be seen as inappropriate. On a whole though, I don’t like censorship of every little thing. However it still won’t make or break the game for me if a little or a lot gets censored. Like XCX, I literally did not give a damn that they removed boob adjustments in that.

            All in all, censoring is just another controversy, and as with every controversy, there’s going to be split opinions. I’m just of mind that some censors are warranted and others not.

          • Velen (Not WoW)

            My issue with the boob slider would’ve been more prominent if XCX were a cross-regional game. I mean, how fair would it be that Japan gets to customize the size of a woman’s chest and have some diversity between them, and the west only gets to have “Complete and Utter Cookie Cutter” bodies in terms of boob size, all while Japanese and American players get to play amongst each other?

          • Reggie

            Fine, I agree that’s not exactly fair. Though, if boob size can be a thing, then I don’t see why other bits can’t. What if I want to play as a slightly more muscular guy, or with a chub of belly fat. As far as I know, the only other thing you can customize in terms of body shape is height.

          • Akemi Homura

            Just because you didn’t give a damn, doesn’t mean others didn’t as well. Games can try to cater a lot of people, but they can’t cater to everyone. So them trying to adjust the game so that it’s “appropriate for everyone”. There is no such thing as a true successful one size fits all method. If this thing was going to only cater or target to certain demographics, then it should’ve been left alone to do just that. Why must we conform everything so that everyone can- no wait… MUST get a slice of the cake or no one else does? Life just doesn’t work that way.

          • Reggie

            I’m entitled to my opinion just as everyone else is. If I don’t give a damn, then I don’t give a damn. That’s just me. I don’t expect that to be the same for everyone else. So let’s just leave it at that.

        • Sleepy Abra

          the Reggie way out of a discussion.
          “Oh shut up”

        • TheKKM

          And my point is that that’s really no excuse to accept it. If you go by that logic, nothing can ever change.

    • The problem is Nintendo’s fans have grown up. Stuff that worked for us while we were kids isn’t so appropriate now. It would be nicer to be treated as adults and get the full experience and decide for ourselves if we want it or not.

      • Sleepy Abra

        Bingo Razzlero gets it. its not about being a pervert like clueless Exposer said. it’s about being treated as an adult most nintendo fans are young adults. there is a reason why Wii U did not sale because all the kids asked for PS4 and Xbox One.

        if content like this is for perverts then why Nintendo even adds them in their games?

        will if i am being called a pervert for wanting this content then the maker of the content Nintendo is a company full of perverts :I

        • Anonymous

          NoA is not calling you pervert. But they dont want other people to call you pervert for buying this game. So they took out the feature to spare you of the abuse. Incidentally, if people fears to be called perverts, they wont buy the game, and that is what NoA is really worried about. The problem is not NoA, the problem is the large portion of your society that consider this feature creepy.

      • The problem those Nintendo fans don’t understand that kids become Nintendo fans.
        Smash Bros. made Nintendo fans get into Fire Emblem no matter how old they were when Lucina and Robin were revealed.

        There were a lot of people going on eShop picking it up. Kids owns 3DS if they get Fire Emblem Fates.

        • Sleepy Abra

          LOL ya with the sells of the Wii U we can see many kids now a days grow up being Nintendo fans……. yup…. :I

        • Akemi Homura

          Lucina and Robin? So Marth and Roy from Melee that helped bring awareness of FE to the West and ultmately helped make FE7 happen worldwide don’t count in all of this?

          • I am talking about TODAY- 2014-2016.

            Why are you bringing up more than a decade ago.
            They wouldn’t be kids.

          • Akemi Homura

            So kids would take up a little bit more complicated turn-based strategy tactics game over a more simplified turn based rpg like Pokemon? I don’t know man. Seems like the gaming generation has started to shift into more instantaneous mindless fun that requires not much skills or thought process involved like COD or Smash Bros over games that would require more patience and critical thinking.

            But of course that kind of changed since IS made fates even more easier to play with the phoenix option and no durability.

          • there casual mode

      • Tao

        Nintendo fans have grown up?

        You do realize that as one set of fans are growing up, younger fans are joining. Just because your childhood is behind you, doesn’t mean there isn’t a new generation picking up Nintendo games.

        • More accurately as kids we didn’t know about all these changes. The world was less connected back then too, so there wasn’t as much awareness of the original version or even other cultures.
          As kids we wouldn’t have cared if there were no changes either.

        • Sleepy Abra

          you do realize Wii Us are not selling….. i wonder why?
          oh a lot of the kids who are growing up are turning into Xbox and Playstation fans.

          • darkgamer001

            Exactly….and besides, go outside and see how many kids you can find playing a 3DS compared to ones on their smartphones.
            Now compare that to a decade or so ago….
            Don’t get me wrong guys, the kid market still exists for Nintendo, but at this point, imho, it is clear they’re overestimating it.
            I mean, when they’re potentially damaging ties with older fans just to try…try…and retain a shrinking kids market…well…

          • Akemi Homura

            Agreed. More and more kids these days are just jumping onto Xbone and PS4 to play games like COD, Halo, and other violent games. It’s like the new “cool thing” to do for youth these days.

        • daizyujin

          Sales seem to indicate that their fanbase is growing up. They have a lingering one from the “good ole days” but as to building a new fanbase………sure a little one but not a big enough one to sustain them. Which is why the Wii U is tanking (along with a lack of games and a complete inability to fulfill the system’s unique potential.)

      • Reggie

        Believe it or not, not all Nintendo fans are adults. Also, while people have grown up, the times have also changed, but I’m not going to continue arguing that.

    • couky

      Being there will have not changed your life.
      Removing optional features is stupid, is like asking a restaurant to remove a dish because you hate it while you’ve the option to not order it.

  • Sleepy Abra

    Nintendo needs to get over this we are a family company bs ……………. this is the main reason they have lost so much market & mind share.
    NX seems to be coming out soon yet they seem to be the same old Nintendo.. they are not listening to their fan base..

    • Exposer

      ” they are not listening to their fan base..”
      Excuse me, im a Nintendo fan and i dont want to touch ficticial people in a Strategy game, im not a pervert, dude.

      • Sleepy Abra

        yes that’s me i am a big old pervert deal with it :I

        • Gentleman Banana

          To each their own I suppose.

          • Akemi Homura

            Which should have been the case. But apparently the extremely offensible faction wants things to cater to THEIR own. And some of them wouldn’t even touch the game in the first place.

      • Sleepy Abra

        will if i am being called a pervert for wanting this content then the maker of the content Nintendo is a company full of perverts :I

        anyway i really do not care about the content it’s more about the act of censorship that annoys me a bit. this is really getting old now.
        for example right now this might not seem like a big issue but since Nintendo keeps censoring their Japanese versions of games what is the likely hood that NX will be region free?

        and if you personally do not care about region free option in your system that’s cool but i care :I

      • darkgamer001

        I’m a pervert if I use features like this in a video game?
        I’m not a potential mass murderer if I enjoy storylines and features that involve killing/violence/etc.?

        Let’s talk about the one thing the pro-censorship guys won’t face.
        With their position, you’re either being extremist (remove all morally questionable content from games) or a hypocrite with extreme double standards (remove only the questionable content that I am not okay with)

        And at the end of the day, why do we have all this? Because people are unable to make a distinction between real life and videogames. Kinda sad…

        • Sleepy Abra

          yup yup well said darkgamer001 100% agree

        • Anonymous

          The “violent videogame = violent person” argument is widely rejected by the society. But if you use what is perceived as a perverted feature in a videogame, society will still looks at you with suspicion. And if you buy a videogame that has been presented as “creepy” by third parties (“cultural critics”), then you are very likely to be looked at with suspicion, even if you claim not going to use the creepy feature. People wont buy such game to avoid being labeled as perverts.

      • Mariana Strife

        Except the thing is actually 100% optional. You don’t even need to use it at any point in the game IIRC.

        Oh but of course let’s be ignorant instead.

        • Akemi Homura

          Well ignorance is the best path to blissfulness.
          Instead of having to tolerate what actually is or isn’t, they simply believe that their own views and belief are in the rights and that that is enough. After all if they were truly not ignorant and were actually considerate of other people, then we wouldn’t even have to be debating about all of this.

      • Akemi Homura

        So they listen to one side of the fan base over another? Cool.
        And besides just because it’s in there doesn’t mean someone is holding a gun to your head and demanding you to use it.

  • Ivan Luna

    I feel that both the character and this feature should be in a Yandere simulator game, but is also a shame that this will not be included.

  • Valwin Mediaz

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA

  • Gentleman Banana

    This all seems like getting less content to me.
    Disappointing.

  • On one hand, it’s a fantasy video game, so what’s the harm? On the other hand, THIS IS REALLY CREEPY AND WEIRD.

    • Valwin Mediaz

      creepy to who if you dont like it dont do it

      • Um…creepy…to…me?

        • Valwin Mediaz

          you were not force to do it

          • If ithe wasn’t an integral part of the game, then what’s the harm in removing it?

          • Akemi Homura

            Who says it has to be integral? There are many easter eggs and hidden minigames in a lot of games out there that usually have nothing to do with the actual core gameplay or story. It’s just there to entertain.

          • Look, I’m not saying it shouldn’t exist. But in 2016, petting Japanese girls “offends” certain people. Not me, not you, but certain people. Nintendo’s a pretty PC company. This is censorship, but it doesn’t hurt the game at all to remove it. That’s what I’m trying to say. And I find it a little creepy, but that’s irrelevant.

          • Roarrik

            It not being an integral part of the game is part of the reason they SHOULDN’T remove it. It’s a bonus feature, some would enjoy it while others wouldn’t No one is forcing the people who don’t like it to do it so why does it have to be removed? Anyone who wanted the feature is now screwed while those who didn’t want the feature are unaffected.

          • Valwin Mediaz

            it was harmless so why remove it ?

          • I already answered that question.

          • Valwin Mediaz

            so did i

          • Anonymous

            Lets have all female characters dressed in a certain way. Like… long sleeves and long skirts. Surely that is not an integral part of the game, either, right? Nothing wrong with changing the clothing to suit PC.

        • Akemi Homura

          Then put it out of sight, out of mind. Problem solved.

  • Valwin Mediaz

    Let see who will defend this NOW

    • timZ117

      Im fine they took it out. Fe is a serious franchise to me, with great characters and a serious storyline. Rubbing peoples face would impact that experience in a negative way for me.

      • Valwin Mediaz

        typical Nintendo drone

        • timZ117

          Great reply. Especially all the solid arguments, without playing it personal.

          • Valwin Mediaz

            please remove more Nintendo i have no self worth

      • Akemi Homura

        You don’t have to use that feature if you don’t want to. It’s like the support system. They have many possibilities of who they can bond with. Nobodies forcing you to bond certain characters with other certain characters.

  • Tylos

    Thanks America, it’s not even NoA’s fault but USA’s dumb perspectives on games.

  • Emperors Chosen

    Half of the people here are going “Who cares?” and standing by the censorship. That’s not what this is about. This isn’t about not being able to pet the “waifus”. This is about censorship. This is about someone telling you, “I don’t know who you are, and I don’t care what you think. I’m deciding for you what you can or cannot see.” THAT is the issue here. I couldn’t give a damn less about whether or not this “petting minigame” (which, until now, I didn’t even know was apart of the game) is in the game. What I care about is that it’s being decided for me that it’s “inappropriate” for me.

    • drykirby

      it’s not really censorship if a company’s removing its own content, yeah? it seems like those kinda of arguments always crawl out of the woodwork whenever a company chooses by its own decision to remove something that could be seen as controversial. and it’s always about something sexy, too. this happened with the bust slider in xbcx, and the barely-seen panty shots in skullgirls… does it really matter? i dunno, man. maybe the people really desperately want face-rubbing and i’m completely in the wrong.

      • CosmicKirby

        Cartoon Network also decided to massively downplay gay/lesbian elements of Stephen Universe in the European airing of the show.
        Many people were up in arms about this, a company “localizing” itself where a significant part of their content isn’t being presented faithfully.
        It wasn’t just a sexy thing then. And many of the people who were up in arms about that would call this case with FEF a victory or a good thing.

        I greatly dislike hypocrisy like that. Either both cases are okay, or neither is okay. I’m firmly on that side that says neither case is okay.

        • drykirby

          the romantic overtones of steven universe are a major part of the story considering that fusion is used as a metaphor for a romantic relationship and factors into the plot with both depictions of healthy relationships such as garnet and unhealthy ones such as malachite, as well as steven and connie both coming into age through their fusion as stevonnie.

          the romantic overtones of fire emblem fates have nothing to do with the plot of the feuding families of the nohr and bushido other than adding extra content into a war-themed strategy game, because intelligent systems realized that fire emblem wouldn’t sell without fanservice. it adds essentially nothing and ends up drenching the whole thing in an overtone of creepiness because of its sexual and occasionally incestuous nature.

          it’s like comparing apples to oranges.

          • drykirby

            but, hey, i can’t judge, if that’s what the fans really want i wouldn’t know. if you don’t mind modding your 3ds and waiting you can snag a fan translation of the original japanese game when it comes out to get something closer to the original

          • Sap

            But that of itself isn’t a good argument. We are waiting for localisation because we want to play it in a way we can understand it as close as possible to the original. And bringing up the “You can just mod it and/or import from Japan” isn’t a good go-around either. Some people don’t have the resources to either mod or import. and some, like me, would stay as far away as possible from modding my hand-held as in that could result in me having to buy a new one. The other is buying a Japanese 3DS which goes back to resources.

          • CosmicKirby

            You can totally compare apples and oranges. That’s how comparisons work. The objects don’t have to be identical, they have to be similar.

            The romantic overtones have a lot to do with why people actually play and talk about the game though. You look at virtually any FE fan thing, and most of them are about shipping and waifus since FE:A put a pretty heavy emphasis on it, alongside the gameplay.

            Saying there’s some quantifiable difference between the two is disingenuous. Your reasoning behind it being important, is interpreted and thus subjective in the same way that a person who found the romancing bits of Awakening to be more important than other parts. Both cases are still censorship, defending one over the other is hypocrisy.

          • Akemi Homura

            Romance may not have a part in the overlaying plot, but it always had been a staple mechanic in the FE games, whenever they pair/support up, leading to potential romantic dialogues and endings. If Awakening did not point that across to you, then I don’t know what will. Awakening was just the beginning of I.S.’ shift towards fanservice, especially since many people readily welcomed the waifu/husbando aspect in that game (along with good improved gameplay mechanics and whatnot).

          • Meogeo Meogeo

            The fanservice always seemed to be a push for Japan. Western fans seem to at least be in mixed opinion about the waifu and husbando aspect in Awakening. I seen plenty of people who say they like it, whereas other people talk about it as being a negative. So I wouldn’t say that many fans welcomed it.

          • Akemi Homura

            Well I at first thought it was a strange thing, too for IS to shift from a little bit more down to earth strategy game to a more anime influenced strategy game. But in the end, if that’s what increased their numbers and let this series survive, then that’s what they must turn to now.

            Besides I meant the global community at large, not just purely the West because I had a feeling that there was gonna be some fans that were going to be negative about it, especially if they are more used to the old days of FE.

            But remember. How well it does in their country of origin will affect it of ever appearing out of the said country. That’s the whole reason why the New mystery of the Emblem never saw international release. And it was, in fact, so bad of a reception and sales that it almost lead them to the point of closing their studio doors permanently. So obviously they have to shift to their own demographics first before turning their eyes overseas. We on the western shore have to either accept it for what is or don’t.

            But I still don’t like how we have to always force our views, opinions, and values onto something that is different from us. Is the western culture/society truly of one for acceptance and understanding? I don’t see that anymore in the society today.

      • Emperors Chosen

        Censorship: the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.

        Not only that, but the ones censoring it did not MAKE the game. It’s the same thing as what museums do to those old Greek sculptures with the fig leaves on the crotch; you know those weren’t there in the beginning, right?

        Now, I’ll agree with some of the people here that this minigame (or maybe Shara makes it more than it actually is) is pretty creepy… However, I don’t care. Leave the creepy minigame in the game as the makers put it in. I don’t like this “controversial” BS. Screw controversy.

        You don’t really care as you see this as “Doesn’t affect me much, wouldn’t have liked that feature anyway.” But try looking at it like someone painted a beautiful painting… and then tore off a part of it because they thought it was too “explicit”. Or, as I’ve said, look at it as them deciding for you what you can or cannot see.

        • drykirby

          you could just… look at another copy of that painting? in this case, import the japanese version of fire emblem? it’s not like they’re completely and utterly forbidding you from getting your precious minigame that you’re making such a big deal about. you enjoy your face-rubbing, i won’t mind going without it… gosh, i’m really getting angry. sorry bout that, different tastes for different people and all that

          • CosmicKirby

            Preferential treatment over tastes in media is OK?

            Why does the person who likes this have to jump through hoops, whereas the person who doesn’t could’ve just ignored it in the first place.

            Meanwhile people who haven’t decided now never even get to make their choice on the matter.

          • Akemi Homura

            Agreed. We in the US easily get games with massive amounts of violence and gore readily as if we can’t get enough. But when it’s start to get a little romantic and raunchy, heads starts rolling and tables being thrown and monitors out the window?

          • Emperors Chosen

            If I could read and comprehend moonspeak, I probably would’ve gotten the game a long time ago.

            And you seem to misunderstand something. I’m just sharing my opinion. You’ll just have to take me on my word, considering that this is the internet, but I’m not at all angry or aggravated. And I could care less about being able to pet people. I’m just really tired of trivial things like this getting censored.

            Leave it in, leave it alone. It’s not that big of a deal. Not to mention with all the much more explicit content in our video games.

            It’s like in anime when the wind blows up some girl’s skirt and a giant light from Jesus comes down to block her underwear. Taking so much effort to KEEP people from seeing things just attracts more attention. I don’t watch shows for ecchi, but I’d rather there be a little bit of panties than GIANT LIGHT SHINING OVER EVERYTHING.

            Don’t get angry. I’m not attacking you or trying to undermine you and I do apologize if I came off like that. Just shared my opinion, is all.

      • _Accelerate_

        >company’s removing its own content

        Oh excuse me, I didn’t realize Nintendo made Fire Emblem. Probably because they didn’t.

        • drykirby

          they’re the ones who publish it, yeah. the nintendo treehouse is the one who develops, localizes, and voice directs the english version, yeah. there’s that thing at the end of every nintendo game: “for copyright purposes, all contents of this video game belong to nintendo” (paraphrasing). they’re allowed to make cuts to the game if they wish, and as the article mentions, they’re doing so with respect to the japanese version

          • 821lancevance .

            But noa are not respecting the Japanese version that’s the point. If they did respect it they wouldn’t be doing so much to censor this game for our fragile little western minds.

          • Anonymous

            Right now, the “fragile western minds” are making a huge deal out of anything that upsets them. As a company, NoA is making the right call, avoiding walking into a potentially disastrous PR scenario. The people complaining about censorship do not have the same influence as FemFreq and its ilk, who make a living out of reporting this kind of things.

        • Caio

          Nintendo owns the Fire Emblem franchise. lol

    • Anonymous

      NoA does not need a feminist frequency video explaining how the petting mini-game reduces female characters to pet status. So they are avoiding controversy, in a very japanese minded way.

      • Roarrik

        It’s funny because you can pet the men too. Ofc not like that matters, Feminists would simply ignore it/not care.

        • Anonymous

          It matters 0 if you can do it to men too. As they have said several times already, that does not make a sexist offense any less outrageous to them.

      • Emperors Chosen

        I like how you said “in a very Japanese-minded way”, yet the Japanese have this function. And if what Roarrik says is true and you can pet the men too, then screw the feminists (the extremists who make mountains out of molehills, anyway). Everyone else that actually has common sense would defend the game.

        • Lazulis

          You can pet every ally in the game so yeah, you can pet guys. Your spouse has like suggestive dialogue when you pet them bc it’s your spouse but other then that, the petting was just like…pokin them or be like…good job friend…

        • Anonymous

          The “very Japanese-minded way” I was refering to is the way japanese buisnessmen tend to avoid controversy when dealing with foreign markets like it was the plague. The petting minigame is certainly controversial in the West (check comments, some people is actually glad the feature was removed because it made them uncomfortable), so it gets removed from the western release.

      • Akemi Homura

        And who’s fault is that for them trying to avoid controversy?

        Hmm. Is it the Japanese fan base? Doesn’t look like it since they have games with features like those by the truckloads in Japan.

        Hmm. Then is it the US and it’s rising feminists/SJW movement? Sounds very accurate to me….

    • Realm25

      If a game has a scene where the main character can eat a baby, I sure as heck don’t want that in the game just because I can choose to not let the main character eat a baby. And I certainly don’t want to be known for playing a game where you can eat a baby.

      Censorship is not a bad thing in every single situation. Censorship can be a VERY good thing. It even being in the game can be offensive to people, and we shouldn’t have to feel like we can’t buy the game because of it. “Just don’t use the feature then or don’t buy it” is not good enough. People who the censorship is catering to are important too, not just you.

      • Angel Zero

        As do people who don’t want the censorship, or does the ones who want the censorship about something they can wilingly skip have a bigger word that the ones that want to use it and now they can’t because someone decided they shouldn’t have it?

      • Emperors Chosen

        You just said “Don’t use the feature or don’t buy the game isn’t good enough”… right? That seems fairly good enough to me. If you don’t want to use the feature, don’t use it. That seems very reasonable.

        If there’s a costume, and let’s even go say that it’s an “inappropriate” item in a game like GTA or something of the like that could offend someone. Should it be completely removed because you don’t like it? What about the other people who actually want that costume piece? If it’s left in, you can zoom passed it and not pay it any mind whereas anyone who enjoys it can use it as they wish.

        And if there WAS something in the game very extreme such as cannibalizing an infant, that would have to be up for debate. That is something that people can truly fight in favor of censoring. Something like… petting someone’s head though…? What’s next? Are hugs too explicit too, now?

      • Akemi Homura

        Well some of us think it is childish to try to cater to EVERYONE. There’s no such thing as a one-size-fits-all model in, well… ANYTHING. There are all kinds of people that are into different things. And just because you have to change up the tone of something to make it appeal to a larger group doesn’t always mean that’s the best thing to do. And it doesn’t always bring success.

        Look at Blizzard’s SC2 and Diablo 3, lore-wise. They are a complete departure from their original tone in the 90s, just because blizzard is trying to be Disney and appeal to a more bigger demographic. And that has caused a massive rift and divide amongst the fans of both new and old. Many people say it betrayed the whole personality and atmosphere the old games tried to create and that the new ones were just a poor successor to that feeling. And only a handful actually liked it. So that kind of ultimately backfired on them.

    • 821lancevance .

      Someone get this guy a metal. I couldn’t have said that any better. Your entire comment was already going off in my mind before I read it. I was about to write it here. But you beat me to it. Lol

  • Steve

    The only ones who wanted this in the game were creepy male child molesters anyway.

    • Vodoka

      Agreed. I am actually saddened that this is only thing Nintendo is removing.
      Why not also get rid of homosexual marriage? Only ones who want that in are degenerates.
      They could have also gotten rid of war and killing. Only ones who want to see that in game are psychopaths.
      Also remove two versions. Only people who buy two version of one game are losers that buy Pokemon.

      • donut

        someones salty about not being able to touch their little sister

        • Tim P

          That or Steve was insanely overgeneralizing and Vodoka was showing just how stupid that is. But no, clearly it’s salt…

          • Akemi Homura

            Whenever someone tries to argue or even simply points out the contradictions in someone else’s opinion, that someone else always auto label it as salt. That’s the common knee jerk reaction in online society today. *shrugs*

          • donut

            was that really an opinion or an argument? seemed more like someone blindly lashing out because their touching simulator got taken out.

          • Tim P

            It’s called sarcasm. Vodoka was using Sarcasm to point out just how bad Steve’s over-generalization was. There was no “blind lashing out” here.

            I realize Sarcasm is difficult to pick up on on the internet, but at the point when he was saying to “remove the war” from a game very much about war, one has to realize he may not be talking entirely seriously.

          • donut

            wow it was sarcasm i had no idea

          • Tim P

            You’re the one who called it “blindly lashing out”.

          • donut

            are you saying you cant be angry and sarcastic? this guy’s clearly mad

          • Tim P

            Are you saying that the only way to be angry is to be blindly and incoherently raging at everyone and everything? People can’t be calmly angry at something?

          • donut

            um are you trying to prove something? what are you even going on about at this point

          • Tim P

            I have no idea anymore, honestly… 😛

          • donut

            that pretty much sums up most of the posts in this discussion

          • Akemi Homura

            Him providing other examples of removing things that could be deemed as abhorring to society in order to prove a point and show flaws in the op’s comment without going into insults and name calling is “blindly lashing out”? Really?
            Then I would like to see what you could call it when he does spew out hate/flame/insults.

          • donut

            ngl, i’d prob call the police lol

      • Anonymous

        Actually the homosexual marriage, the war and killing are fully accepted in the West now, that is the only reason these get a pass, since these activities are encouraged in here. Petting virtua girls not so much, we still have way to go before reaching Japan’s “enlighted” status in these matters. They see us like uneducated barbarians.

        • Cavalier

          This guy gets it.

        • Akemi Homura

          Wow… The best Anonymous post I’ve seen yet about this debate. But then again are you truly anonymous with that avatar pic?

          Anyways, I completely agree. We the Westerners have always exclaimed them being weird in their culture like their variety shows and TV ads and so forth. But we are clearly weird in our own ways too. Even I, a US-borne, can’t even understand what goes on in this country and what is accepted as the norm. I mean those Old Spice commercials aren’t deemed as weird? Am I the only one who just said “wtf” when I first saw those? And also the US compains about how k-pop/jpop idols look skinny and all dolled up, and yet we are completely fine with how the Hollywood stars look and what they dress in on the red carpet?

          I believe we are on the same path as Japan, just that Japan reached there first. The West is just being stubborn to break away from old traditions.

      • 821lancevance .

        Funny as hell man

    • TheOneandOnlyGamer

      Don’t you mean Donald Trump supporters? 😛

  • DMonks

    Now all they need to answer is the function for the tree house aha

  • Vodoka

    TO WHAT END

  • TheJuiciest

    I didn’t really welcome this addition to the series to begin with. It seemed a bit desperate and a bit pathetic by IntSys/Nintendo, but Nintendo needs to back off already. This is the kind of stuff that makes me think that nothing will ever change despite all the hubbub with the NX and a brighter future.

  • David Henderson

    good

  • Darkor56

    Its okay when Nintendo does it.

  • Bungle

    That quote says nothing about cut content.

    Wait for a more believable source

    • Steve

      Just accept your creepy fetish minigame isn’t in the western release already, import it if you want that crap.

      • Bungle

        I’m only saying that quote doesn’t talk about cut content.

        It’s irrelevant to the discussion but I played the game on release.

        • Vodoka

          Kotaku source gives better confirmation.
          “While the English version of Fates still includes many relationship-building activities by way of robust castle functionality,
          Nintendo confirmed to me that petting is 100 percent out.”
          So yeah, that’s been cut.

      • _Accelerate_

        So how’s life as a cuckold?

  • timZ117

    Thank god..

  • It seems like an odd thing to remove… and yet it was kind of an odd thing to have in the first place. I dunno. I don’t usually like things being taken out games in the localization, but I’m really not heartbroken over this. Like, at all.

  • Cheyanne Stamper-Sikora

    Project diva Mirai has it so wtf

  • Anonymous

    To be honest feminists would have gone batshit insane if this had been included in the western release.

    • Cavalier

      Yeah. They go batshit insane about almost everything.

      • Roarrik

        This. A thousand times this.

    • Vodoka

      You could also pet dudes.

      • Akemi Homura

        Yes, but they largely focus on the women being “misrepresented” and “belittled”, even when the equality line has been properly drawn, like in this case. Apparently we males are just chopped liver to them. But then again, isn’t that what the whole feminist movement at large has now devolved to? Empowering female kind while debilitating male kind.

      • Anonymous

        Remember the torture minigame in GTA V? Well, imagine they had an option to torture a female character after doing that to the male character. “You can also torture dudes” would be your last words as your company is engulfed in a shitstorm of feminist complains.

  • Red-Tail

    This is probably one of the reasons why I don’t care about Nintendo as much anymore, their censorship is either dumb or they do it to stuff that doesn’t seem too serious.

  • DMonks

    I really don’t mind them removing it as long as they at least replace it with something to interact with the characters

  • Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps

    Good.

  • Jettythesunfish

    Why am I not surprised…?

  • Eli Sanchez

    I’m just annoyed that we aren’t getting a complete product because Nintendo of American’t thinks that they know what’s best for us.

    • timZ117

      You know that happens with every release in the west ever right? Even the boxart and voice acting is changed based on cultural differences.

      • Vodoka

        Are you seriously saying that adding English voicing as option and changing cover is the same as removing a minigame?

        • timZ117

          Yes the reasoning is the exact same.

      • Eli Sanchez

        Which is fine. I’m all for changing things based on cultural differences, but there’s a difference between changing and removing. As far as we know, the content is just getting removed rather than changed, which is what bugs me. When you cut content for only one region, you’re not getting a complete product, end of story.

  • kritzingerx24 .

    >killing thousands of people is ok
    >rubbing someone’s head is like a second holocaust

    Thanks SJWs and nu-males

    • Kenshin0011

      This isn’t an SJW issue, you fool…you could pet any chatacter, male or female.

      • Akemi Homura

        It is because they removed it for the US version. Otherwise, this would’ve (should’ve) been okay to release. But obviously the SJWs and the feminists would have not let this slide.

        And that’s what you forgot to add in, Kritz. Don’t forget the feminists.

        • donut

          *tip*

        • Kenshin0011

          This isn’t an SJW/feminist issue, you fool…you could pet any chatacter, male or female.

          • Akemi Homura

            I think you are somehow missing the point. It’s because of this movement and the reception to contents like these is what caused many game companies try to avoid the controversies by removing them early on.

            It doesn’t matter if both sex can be pet (which honestly should’ve been the case for everyone on this matter) if they are purely arguing about one side of the same coin. They are not gonna look at the male petting because clearly that’s something acceptable within their parameters. But when it’s the female petting, then all hell starts breaking loose.

            There’s a reason why many half-jokingly half-seriously dubbed the feminists as feminazis and why certain groups like GamerGate have emerged in reaction to that.

            Half naked men and doing whatever you want with them is all fair game, but not when it comes to women in this society. It’s no different than how society views on male rape victims compared to their female counterparts. Apparently, we males don’t matter.

          • Anonymous

            There was a game that gave you the option to rescue a woman, a man or a dog. FemFreq still complained that women were being equated to dogs, and made the argument that the option of rescuing a man did not make the “rescue a woman” option any less sexist. You can check this out in their “damsel in distress” video series.

        • Caio

          You realize that Nintendo of America is the real SJW? lollol

          • Akemi Homura

            Is that the same case for Capcom (Street Fighters V) and KoeiTecmo (Dead or Alive Xtreme 3)? All of this is happening for a reason. The cause was the SJW/Feminist movement. And the effect is a lot of game studios are now afraid to even portray their females as sexy or voluptuous unless they are portrayed as strong badass types or are dressed in a suit of plain armor.

          • Caio

            Yes, in the first case . Most of the people working with games have that kind of thinking

    • Caio

      You realize that Nintendo of America is the real SJW? lol

  • dbizal

    We don’t have sex here in the West… Censorship sucks.

    • timZ117

      What are you talking about? I live in the west and have crazy sex all the time.

      • wiki443556

        your hand doesn’t count

        • timZ117

          Yeah i wish i had some rest sometimes, its tiring bro..

          • dbizal

            Your joke’s going South mate.

          • timZ117

            Thinking about responding with a joke about the south but yeah.. This has run its course :p

    • Sleepy Abra

      what is this sex you speak of ?

      • Akemi Homura

        Whatever it is, it sounds tasty. Too bad there’s no such thing here in the West to even get a feel for it.

  • Addy the Wanderer

    More censorship, lovely. Glad I’m not picking up this game.

    • uPadWatcher

      Tell that to Street Fighter V in America.

      • Addy the Wanderer

        What is up with the world today? People are getting overly sensitive over such stupid little things. A journalist complained about there being a woman’s hand in Super Mario Maker, that one group doesn’t want women in videogames to be attractive and pretty, games getting censored for having women wearing revealing clothing, to games not being released for having women wearing revealing clothing and be at the beach.

        What a world we live in…

    • Akemi Homura

      Agreed. I was actually worried and rushing to find the SE copy of this game. But now that this has been brought to my attention via comments in nowinstock.net, I don’t care anymore. NoA made my life a lot easier and simpler now, so I’m off to go buy a port of it.

      • Bap

        Agreed, finding a SE won’t be a problem because all the weebs are now too busy crying. TY based NoA for considering the players, not the weebs.

    • Addy the Wanderer

      I just want to make things clear, this did not want me to not get this game, I lost interest in FE Fates and what ever that other game for the Wii U is called.

  • couky

    HYPOCHRYTHE AMERICANS!!!
    GORE IS OKAY IN GAMES BUT NOT PETTING ?!
    SCREW YOU!!!

    • uPadWatcher

      Tell that to CAPCOM and ATLUS.

  • slihm

    Are all the people complaining about the petting happy now?

    • Terpsichore

      I’d say no, they’re never satisfied with anything.

      • Akemi Homura

        Actually they would be satisfied if things like this completely went away, so that they have fulfilled their “grand purpose”. Of course, afterwards if whether or not they are still satisfied with their decisions and the consequences that follows is another story.

        • Terpsichore

          I was talking more about how they are always upset at something and want it to change because it doesn’t match their “morals.” These types of people are always looking to be offended by something, there’s no winning with them. They hate everything unless it’s inline with their distorted beliefs.

          • Akemi Homura

            I know. Like I said, they would merely feel momentary satisfaction at a job well done on their part, but then when something else comes up, they take up arms once more in their grand march against everything that goes against their belief, which ULTIMATELY means they will never be satisfied.

  • Vitor Santos

    fire emblem, AFTER being cut into two full price games AND censored, is now confirmed to have CUT CONTENT

    at this point, people are paying for a demo

    0/10 not even worth pirating

  • Oldstalk

    Well, I might buy this game now and don’t feel like a piece of trash.
    Good, good. Such useless features were only bad points for a game like that.

  • keith8890

    Well this is disappointing, I was probably never gonna use the feature but I don’t like my options being cut for me.

  • couky
    • Roarrik

      It’s a bonus feature. Don’t like it, don’t play it. Truer words were never spoken. Thank you Sakurai, it’s just too bad there’s people who overreact so much that bonus features end up getting removed.

    • Akemi Homura

      Spoken from the man himself whom knows true enlightenment . Sakurai has earned a new fan out of me.

  • Tao

    I just have to ask, why is this sort of stuff in Fire Emblem in the first place?

    At what point did a story driven SRPG become a weird dating sim where I pet young girls?

  • Ann

    If it doesn’t affect the story, I don’t care.

    • Akemi Homura

      It doesn’t. It’s just an extra feature to increase your affinity/support to the characters. But sadly, not many share your views.

      Reminds me of a certain incident in private server of a MMO that gave out free cash items to players for playing their server and someone complained of not having the option to take it out/or refuse it because that person wants to be forced to not use that item, to make it challenging for themselves.

      Love the logic that floats around these days….

  • Junebug

    hhm so this is the petting zoo what everyone worried about

  • rofljay

    Half of me is like “Good the petting thing is gross” and the other half of me is like “but I kinda wanted to do it.”

  • tj3dsxl

    I enjoyed petting and playing with my DREAM EATERS in DreamDropDistance, but they were kinda like Pokémon ! I wouldn’t never pet or brush my partners hair/tummy in real life (i’d do other things though!) so i’m cool with them removing this because they are “human” characters not animal-like in the game. But from a gaming stand point that feature and its graphics would have been funny to play/see ! The whole game is going to be close to $100 for everything in the Fates series, so I wish it would stop getting parts of it chopped-off….this feature is a silly one indeed but there are grown adults out there who are paying top dollar for this game (as hoping to experience the ACTUAL real game in our country/USA) !

  • Bambe Danielsen

    Oh look. Another game I can skip.
    Or purchase second hand. Probably skip, becasue I have more than enough games to deal with, so the Fire Emblem’s priority just went to teh bottom along with Xenoblade and Fatal Frame.

    • Bap

      Oh no, a feature only weebs would like was removed. I cannot like this game because a small aspect was removed and nothing important from core gameplay was.

      • Addy the Wanderer

        Replace “weebs” with “socially challenged, basement dwelling, unimployed, virgin-for-life, weeaboo loses who still live with thier parents.”

        • Insulting people for having a different opinion of you, how open-minded and understanding of other people’s lives.

          • Addy the Wanderer

            I was joking. If it was not funny, then I fail at humor.

          • Oh sorry, couldn’t tell it was humor. I’ll delete the original comment if you want.

          • Addy the Wanderer

            No no, it’s fine. It was wrong of me in the first place. I’m just tired of dealing with this crap going on. People crying over a face petting mini-game? I mean, Criminy Jones, this famdom!!

          • Oh well, I already did. Woops. Anyway I agree.

      • couky

        You’re cyber bullying anyone who are against that news.

        • Bap

          Oh no, please don’t call the Internet Police

  • donut

    im really REALLY hoping NX gets region-free like they implied just so people will finally stop complaining about censorship.

  • chris123sm

    I personally couldn’t care too much for the feature, but it is really dumb when games get censored in localization. I guess everything else about the game is ok for NOA; murder,corruption,suicide, incest, etc; but oh no rubbing animated characters faces that’s a no go.

    • Aiddon

      I say blame the West as NOA and NOE are just reacting to what’s accepted in that hemisphere. It’s not they’re fall Europe and North America are filled with double standards.

      • chris123sm

        That’s pretty much it. NOA is afraid that having a feature like that kept in the game will have backlash or keep people from buying it, since what’s accepted here isn’t always whats accepted across the world.

        It’s still ridiculous though since the majority of the player-base has got to be mid-teens, not to mention the vets of the series who are older than that. If NOA thinks having an optional feature in the game will affect people, then they are blind.

        • Aiddon

          Then tell the West to get over its collective fear of cooties and sort itself out.

  • Aiddon

    And this, Fire Emblem fandom, is why you don’t get to complain about things like this and then try to whine about “censorship” down the line.

  • Pirate_Man

    Cool, thanks Nintendo of America for cancelling my pre-order, the SE is practically worthless nothing now as soon as you introduce censorship into the game.

    • KnightWonder

      Weak willed.

    • MrPerson0

      Nah, pretty sure it’s still worth $300+ according to scalpers.

      • Akemi Homura

        But according to some people on nowinstock.net, those prices would most likely drop once the game gets released and when many have already gotten what they want. The artbook and case does not justify those ridiculous prices.

        And now that some are dropping due to this news, that also is going to lower demands for it.

    • Bap

      Thanks, at least I wont have to worry about people trying to buy all the SE’s

  • Squalllionhart

    is this pay back for the nukes?

  • Kenshin0011

    NoA, your ignorant censorship is unacceptable! At least to those of us who wish to enjoy this game in the original CREATOR’S image!

    • Bap

      Ya na, youre on your own on this one, even the Japanese thought this feature was dumb and unneeded.

      • Kenshin0011

        What do you not get about AUTHENTICITY?

        • Bap

          I don’t need facepetting to complete a game. And nor did the Japanese. Facepetting is what most of them ripped the game apart for and cited it as a reason FE is changing for the worse. It was a no brainier for NoA to remove it.

          • Sleepy Abra

            today they censor a game. tomorrow they censor a movie. then they censor a book. then they will censor news. then they will censor your thoughts……………………………………..

            until the media we consume is nothing more but
            political correctness propaganda.

        • Tao

          Authenticity? I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

      • Akemi Homura

        Really? Mind if you could share us your source on that?

    • KnightWonder

      Whine some more.

    • I think at the very least Nintendo should start doing like some PC games. Create an optional patch for people to patch back in the original cut content for the people who want it. That way (almost) everybody should be happy

      • donut

        people would just complain that content from the original is dlc now, i dont think that’d solve anything.

  • NC

    Cry more otaku.

    • couky

      “Hypocrite is someone who convenienly forget their own faults to point out someone else.”

      • NC

        “Meaningless quote because I have no original thoughts.”

  • Audie Bakerson

    Why aren’t you learning Nipponese?

  • Addy the Wanderer

    Great, now we’ve attracted the crybaby purists.

  • Walther Eghus II

    Even though the FE complained “oh it’s a waifu sim” and blah-deh-blah, removing content is still removing content
    Wanna take out waifu scenes?
    Go ahead
    Wanna change dialogue?
    Sure thing mate
    Wanna censor the clothing?
    Sure, why not?
    Now add something else
    An extra mode
    An extra character

    Something to make up for that which the US Version lost
    Otherwise you’re selling what’s less content for the same price and advertising as if it was the same thing
    Which is not.

    That’s like if CoD BLOPS 3 sold the version without Single Player for the same price of the full version
    AND WORSE
    THE NEUTRAL ENDING IS STATED TO BE DLC

    Holy hells mr Goldbergstein, this is too far!

  • darkgamer001

    Look, at this point there isn’t much point in trying to discuss this here, unless you enjoy being called a pervert by people who I’m sure have enjoyed violent elements in games. So if you’re done facing these constant double standards and hypocrisy…it’s time to take it up a notch

    The anti-censorship element of Nintendo’s fanbase needs to organize itself. Create a campaign. I’m not talking about some stupid, near-pointless petition. An organized campaign similar to Operation Rainfall back in the day.

    That means organizing a write-in campaign in which people send e-mails to NoE and NoA, informing them that they are not happy with their current censorship saga, and very politely bring up the possibility that this will have an effect on your future purchases, particularly the NX

    We can even contact a translator, so NoJ can be contacted directly. If a considerable number of people contact NoJ directly, this can prove to be an eye-opener for them.

    Let’s get a Miiverse campaign rolling like the Region-Free guys did back in the early Wii U days, forcing the company to respond and eventually leave the door slightly open for a region free future

    We can make an effect, but right now we’re pouring all our effort in fruitless “discussions”. Let’s use our time more wisely. Come on guys 😀

  • Devin Depatie

    Kotaku isn’t a credible source, but hey people on the internet will fall for anything

  • Locky Mavo

    Oh well, it’s just a mini game, and a creepy one at that.

  • Guilherme

    But this is just a Pokémon Amie with humans… WTF

    • Dascylus

      According to North American cultural standards, that’s creepy as heck.

  • キロ

    Really? I was actually expecting them to keep this, no harm done in it… xD Oh well, no harm really done in removing it aside from the slight support building, I guess.

  • Chico Maroto

  • “We want to alienate the waifu fans who made Awakening such a success in the first place.”

    • Meogeo Meogeo

      You got data to prove that the waifu fans made Awakening a success in the West? You have to remember there was a lot of positive press and marketing that could have helped out the sales. Radiant Dawn and Shadow Dragon weren’t given the same push as Awakening.

      • Have you seen tumblr…?

        It didn’t exactly hurt. But yes they advertised the hell out of it. I was mainly joking

      • Akemi Homura

        But didn’t those games had the same amount of marketing and press as their Western released predecessors? The reviews and sales numbers from both sides of the world for Shadow Dragon was pretty low and The New mystery of the Emblem was not even better (even though it was only in Japan). We have Japan to thank for the good sales of Awakening for it to be released overseas. Otherwise if it had been mediocre or even poor, it would never have been considered for international release.

        • Meogeo Meogeo

          Radiant Dawn and Shadow Dragon didn’t really receiving any marketing in the west. The first Fire Emblem did receive a push, but others after it really didn’t get the same push until Awakening.

          I’m not sure how much it received in Japan, but sales seem be to low. Though, Shadow Dragon and it’s sequel were both remakes of older Fire Emblem titles. Those titles had a problem of being very ugly (I know this turned off some people) and removing long time features in which fans of the series look forward to. It kinda felt barebone when compared to older titles. That may have caused a drop off in the sales.

          They weren’t good Fire Emblem titles. Whereas, Awakening kinda went back and added in features from every Fire Emblem. They added in things in which fans wanted plus more. So it hard to argue that the waifu aspects are the only reason for the sales.

          • Akemi Homura

            Yes I do concur with that because they were just one part of the bigger package. But that’s the thing, it was because of it being part of the package. And it was said in an interview with the members of IS that the marriage system was widely welcomed.

            If they hadn’t added it in, it would’ve been just another “better, but only slightly improved compared to the old FE” to everyone. But it was everything in that game that made up the ingredient to huge success to even having it being nominated for multiple awards. I loved the music in that game, the most original since FE7 and 8. And the improved combat system and proper return of the support system even made it better than it’s GC and DS predecessors. And to top it off as the grand “la piece de resistance” cherry on top was the waifu/husbando system, which I’m sure had many players from both sides of the world instantly hooked, because it’s nice and all that they have good varieties of eligible suitors to marry off (backed by strong, funny and cute dialogues/interactions or great backstories), but it’s even better if players could self-insert themselves into their favorite characters worlds and marry them themselves.

            That’s the whole appeal of the trend in mmos and games these days of creating your own character. It’s like a direct invitation into their world, not sitting on the sideline as 3rd party with a “mind controller” as you are playing some already existent character (whom may or may not suit to your taste).

  • Timothy Zaremski

    Well tried to avoid it but i guess i’ll just youtube all the skinship. Idu why we waited 13 months if this and probably more content got removed, this should get price drop if it doesn’t even have full game. Pretty sure luna had a important thing to say from it too.

    • Yeah to be honest I’m kind of pissed because it’s been out for ages in Japan and it makes me realize that it probably took so long because the intensive localization team was doing this stuff instead of just bringing the game over. Not to mention the full game is like $80+ for a bunch of unnecessary localization changes similar to the dumbing down that Awakening got.

  • Nicko De Jesus

    I was actually looking forward to the pet sim. With all these unnecessary censorship, it’s making it difficult for me wanting to continue on with Nintendo. Because really, all these censorships is just slowly destroying the masterpiece the team worked on. The creation they spent time on for their fans just thrown away. All their hard work for nothing. I really hope they add this back and hopefully not remove the bath house next. If they dare do so, I’m gonna go ahead and leave Nintendo and switch to Play Station. Anyone who wants to argue or complain about what Im saying. Dont bother. I dont respond to jerks. Only people with brains.

  • Takara Hayashi

    Proof that Kotaku is full of crap:

    http://imgur.com/0SFH5nl

    taken from the treehouse demonstration, the exclamation mark is telling you that a skinship session is ready at your private quarters.

    • キロ

      The demonstration from E3? I assume it could have been changed since then.

      • Takara Hayashi

        No it was from the english build a few weeks ago.

        • キロ

          Oh, okay. That’s very curious then!

    • ThatBossReventom 106

      Well, you can change your hairstyle in the Treehouse as well, so….. this doesn’t prove anything.

  • daizyujin

    The thing that annoys me is that for years we never got ANYTHING from Fire Emblem. Releases outside Japan are still a rather recent thing (15 years maybe) then people wonder why it is?

    Perhaps because Nintendo was worried about how it would be perceived? I don’t know but if things are going to have to be changed this much in a lot of ways I would rather they just didn’t even bother. One or two changes would be one thing but when those changes start being revealed change after change, day after day and they start getting into story and dialogue choices it really turns me off. Perhaps in some games story doesn’t mean a lot but the Fire Emblem series is not exactly one where that logic really applies. Who knows when we get the game how many other things we are going to start seeing. It just rubs me the wrong way. (No pun intended) Especially considering I doubt 99% of the people who were going to buy the game would care about this content.

  • Lalo Martinez T-folla

    THIS IS UNEXCUSABLE!!!!

  • ManiacMan

    This is unacceptable. Censorship is just despicable.

    • MrPerson0

      Even in the case of incest?

      • Takara Hayashi

        There is no incest. I’m just going to spoil you, neither of the siblings of hoshido or nohr are blood related.

        • MrPerson0

          Nah, you’re wrong. SPOILERS

          There is one single line in Revelation that make Corrin and Aqua cousins. All NoA needs to do is remove this line, and bam, no more cousins for the heavily pushed couple in the game.

  • Honestly…its kind of stupid. I don’t care for censorship, never have never will, but if they could do something else that gives whatever boost this gives I’ll be fine with it. Breast slider got rid of a way to personalize your character through a title that is very niche anyways, this…I don’t know not much to defend really.

  • Linkchu

    Why is everyone so mad about this. Only a basement dwelling weeaboo or a Japanese pedophile would want this in a game… The sad thing is about 87% of the people here are mad that they can’t pet other people in a video game. Ask most people if they pet their friends for enjoyment or to “bond” with them. The average NORMAL person would think you are crazy for even thinking of something weird like that.

    • It’s not about the content, it’s about the fact that it was removed. If you played the game and the mini-game was in it, would you freeze up and have a massive panic attack? Or would you just ignore it and move on?

      It’s incredibly unfair to remove something, something as innocuous as this, just so a small group of people can not have to think about it. It’s even more unfair to generalize and insult anyone who may like the feature or miss it.

    • 821lancevance .

      Noa censored much more of this game then just the petting. Look it up. Dialogue has been changed, clothes and I bet you the hot spring sections are next.

      Give then an inch they take a mile.

      • Akemi Homura

        Apparently someone here didn’t know about the difference between the NA and JP versions of the Awakening’s hot spring DLC. I’ll be pretty miffed if they touch the hot spring section again. That one they did in Awakening was not even justified…

  • dannyxzero

    wow NOA, no point in crying qbout this, but since you are removing stuff, make the game cheaper please, and in the future let Atlus handle Fire Emblem, now I know for sure you will *-up #FE…thank you NOA

    • Cavalier

      Yeah I wonder if Genei Ibun Roku #FE is going to be released over here.
      Since that game oozes censorship .
      I will be sad if that game doesnt come to the west because people are afraid of fictional chars showing skin.

      That ben guy said it was an awesome RPG. I just hope it gets released without censorship.

      This is getting ridiculous.

      • MrPerson0

        The fact that #FE got piss poor sales in Japan is reason enough for NoA to not risk selling it here.

        • Cavalier

          Yeah that would be a shame……
          But they already showed the game on last year directs so maybe it will be released over here……. eventually

    • MrPerson0

      Yes, make the game five cents cheaper for removing a feature that wasn’t needed in the first place.

      • dannyxzero

        oh snap, its the game director here! I forgot you brought back Fire emblem from the brink of death, all hail the might game director of FE fates, you know love wasting money on pointless addtion to this game, thank you for coming on Nintendo everything to correct mii and tell mii I dont need a full game.

  • D.J.

    good get that perverted pedophillac garbage right outta here

    • ThatBossReventom 106

      you know, nothing in this game is “inappropiate”. Literally. I mean, is it weird to pet people’s head? And this is optional. If you don’t like the feature, then don’t use it.

  • Zura

    I really like anime and Japanese games in general, but I really don’t get this waifu and husbando thing at all. And I usually avoid these dating simulators etc. , so this feature isn’t that important to me.

    • ThatBossReventom 106

      why are these male and female characters called waifus and husbandos? I don’t get it. Does a japanese female or male character instantly become waifu/ husbando and becomes inappropiate?

  • superphillip32

    Very happy for the change. It was creepy.
    If you want, lonely guys and girls, you can pet your anime pillow as you cry yourself to sleep over this change while crying “CENSORSHIP!” and “SJWs!!!”

    • HolyHell95

      Cuckadoodledoo.

    • SquareSide

      It is rather disturbing to be honest.

  • Mistwalker

    And of course weaboos are complaining…

    A scene that got misinterpreted and is important to the character development gets deleted:
    -“I’m glad it got deleted, it was offensive and anti-gay”

    A mini game that doesn’t add anything to the game itself, it’s weird and make FE feel like your typical JRPG-Dating Simulator.
    -“I’M CANCELLING MY PRE-ORDER. NoA RUINED THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE OF THE GAME, FATES IS BROKEN NOW!”

  • Whether you are pro petting or find it inappropriate it is not up to you or Nintendo. The consumer should be able to make their own choice. If you don’t like it don’t take part in the mini game or don’t buy the game. I find it very upsetting that Nintendo is forcing the choice for North America. Fire Emblem Fates is a Japanese game made for Japan and I do not think it is wrong to want full experience that Japan got with all it’s quirks.

    • Anonymous

      I dont think it is that easy. If there was a campaign to paint the game as creepy and disturbing because of this minigame, some people would get shamed into not buying it, even if they did not find petting inappropiate.

      • Ok the petting thing is a little weird but just take a step back and think about the larger picture… You marry and have children with these characters… Of all the things people are gonna draw the line at petting the them on the head? I dunno seems a little redundant to me. Might as well remove the whole marriage system if “creepy”is the reasoning.

  • Audie Bakerson

    I just remembered: Conquest had limited opportunities to gain affinity due to non-repeatable maps. Pretty sure this minigame allowed you to raise affinity outside of them.

    You broke the balance of the game! Good job NoA!

    • John Skinner

      They won’t care since most of the people who complained aren’t going to play it anyway. But it would have been nice to actually gain affinity the easy way instead of grinding for it in battle.

    • MrPerson0

      Conquest is meant for you to NOT grind, so making it harder to gain supports in it is a GOOD thing.

    • Meogeo Meogeo

      I’m no sure if it really broke the balance. I read this from someone who owns the game, “Every other character aside from the avatar needed to raise it through battle anyway, since they could never skinship each other. The game’s design was never centered on skinship being necessary in order to gain support points.”

      So the mini-game seems to be only for your avatar to grow with other characters. Whereas, other characters couldn’t gain from it, unless it’s between your avatar.

  • Francisco

    So much “mememe” from both sides. I’ll buy, I’ll love it, I won’t miss this feature, I may miss anything, but who cares? Really? We need to bash and talk about every little detail. Dear god that’s why companies only do fps right now! There’s no talk, no dialog, just shoot the god damn enemy, pay for dlc and be a mindless player!

    • Cavalier

      lmao !!
      Yeah people make a fuss about everything these days.
      I just hope Genei Ibun Roku #FE gets released over here.

  • John Skinner

    To those who support any censorship in Fire Emblem Fates. The more these people get away with pressuring companies to censor things, the more their going to demand censorship/want things changed. Soon every game will need a SJW seal of approval to get a release.

  • Ben

    I pet my female friends/girlfriend sometimes and they just look at me funny. yea its a little strange but there’s nothing wrong with it… I was looking forward to petting the characters T_T

  • John Skinner

    Head petting is just a cute innocent thing they do sometimes in anime. It’s completely innocent and shouldn’t be censored.

  • mainimi

    I’m so pissed off right now.

    I’ve played the japanese version more than a few times already, and aside from some suggestive dialogue after you married, there was nothing, absolutely NOTHING inappropriate in the skinship minigame, you couldn’t even touch anything below the neck.

    This is ridiculous, they’re removing content for the sake of unnecessary censorship, it’s literally optional content that makes the characters more endearing and now western audiences will miss it, plus it’s a great option to raise affinity in Black kingdom and has some nice Live 2D models that will be totally wasted. For god’s sake, if some people found it creepy they could just not play the minigame.

    I shouldn’t be surprised after they misinterpreted Soleil’s character (no, she’s not a lesbian), but they amazed me yet again with how stupid they can be.

    • MrPerson0

      For all we know, Kotaku could be lying about it being removed, or, if it is actually removed, face petting was what pushed the ESRB to giving it a possible M rating, which would have killed sales for the game. You need to look at it logically instead of saying it’s an “unnecessary censorship”.

      • mainimi

        Why would an M rating be bad? I remember Treehosue saying some months ago that the game would be M rated if it was needed, and we’re in 2016, an M rating hasn’t killed anyone sales since long ago (in fact, most best sellers nowadays are M rated). Heck, if anything would’ve pushed the rating to M, it would’ve been all the violence going on in the plot instead of just petting some characters faces.

        And there was almost nothing in the skinship that would’ve pushed the rating to M, suggestive lines are a few and only come after marriage, and they could’ve toned down those instead of removing the minigame entirely.

        I’m being logical here, this removal is stuupid, I can only hope it’s Kotaku lying.

        • MrPerson0

          I dunno, I am seeing a lot of people saying that their parents went with them to help pre-order the Special Edition. I can’t help but think the parents wouldn’t want to look at the game if it is rated M with suggestive themes, but who knows.

          • Roarrik

            Those same parents let their kids buy Call of Duty and Halo and Gears of War and Grand Theft Auto. Those are all games rated M but that certainly doesn’t stop young kids from playing them.

          • JCTXS

            The game takes place in a fantasy setting where people are burned by magic and get their heads chopped off. What the hell are parents thinking that violence is fine and headpatting is sick filth?

          • ben

            It is modern America… Touching is forbidden but killling is good.

          • ThatBossReventom 106

            And BJing in a game is okay…..

        • Anonymous

          I dont think anyone looking for a “M” game would be satisfied if they found out the “M” rating is just because there is a petting minigame. They are probably looking for a Grand Theft Auto kind of game, and Fire Emblem is not it.

  • Tony Horo

    They should’ve removed Pokemon Amie then.

    • MrPerson0

      So, fantasy creatures = humans now? lolok

      • JCTXS

        Fantasy humans = humans now? lolok

        • Roarrik

          Touching a fantasy creatures private parts is better then touching a fantasy humans face? lolok

          • JCTXS

            IT IS THE SAME THING, BOTH FANTASY.

  • Andrew Gonzalez

    Still buying it. I mean seriously has nintendo ever released a first party game with this type of feature in the west besides pet sims? I’am not surprised in this action at all but it in no way will stop me from enjoying FE. I don’t stand with censorship all the way but this mini game I can live without.

    • Fandangle

      ” I mean seriously has nintendo ever released a first party game with this type of feature in the west besides pet sims? I”
      No because nintendo has never released a first party game with this type of thing in it. Meanwhile other companies release far worse than just “petting”

      Don’t pay for this idiocy. The 3DS is hackable now on every firmware before 10.4 I think and the fan translation is almost done. Don’t support bad practices, you’ll only propagate more of them because you’re telling nintendo “I’m okay with this.”

  • slasher3465

    Well what the heck am I supposed to do now? Pokemon-amie with a Lopunny? XD

    • Fandangle

      What 3DS firmware are you running? If it’s 10.3 or below you could easily just hack it and then download the Fan patch and start playing it right now. It’s mostly complete and all that’s missing is some minor fixes and the supports. They’re properly translating everything too, so no “Beruka” when it should be Belka or Berka and no removed features or censorship.

  • Etherblaze

    So we get an inferior version in the west, compared to Japan. Thanks again Nintendo of America.

    • dannyxzero

      Thank you NOA…

    • Bap

      DO you know why Fate was received so poorly in Japan? Might have something to do with the “feature” that got removed. Thanks Nintendo of America trying to save the FE brand.

      • Roarrik

        So poorly received? Are you high or just plain stupid?

        • Bap

          None of them got the my room feature, even the reviewers. I was trying to find out why alot of them where displeased and it came down to “otaku pandering”.

          • Roarrik

            It was an optional bonus feature and yes not everyone loved it. Most of the time the bonus features aren’t gonna be the greatest part of the game. Didn’t stop the game from getting great reviews and selling really well, better then awakening in fact. Saying it was “so poorly received” purely because of an optional side mini-game that some liked and some didn’t is an outright falsehood.

      • Fandangle

        I thought it was poorly received because plot holes and the fact that nintendo was actively advertising it as an all in one game instead of the “BUY ALL THREE TO GET THE WHOLE STORY!”

  • Yolkghost

    I think some people don’t realize it was less of a creepy amie copy and more of a thing that somewhat fit. They felt blessed to be in their lords room, and want to feel the touch of their lord, although yes it did have sexual comments, all that had to be done was change the dialogue. Like… Is there even a true reason to remove this? I’m not going to start disliking NoA over this (better things to do that over) but its still a silly choice.

    • ben

      I hate Treehouse. I hate their terrible Japanese skills. When I watch E3 I have to suffer them changing what a person actually says.. I havce doubts most of them even speak Japanese…. I feel like they just say what they think is right…. They call it localisation.. I call it culture rape.

  • Raiden

    Well. . . guess I’ll wait to get this game second hand then. Or else I’ll cut the gordian knot and import it.

    • TheOneandOnlyGamer

      Even though the gameplay will be great nontheless, any excitement I have had for this game has been tarnished by the way NOA has handled this release.

      • Bap

        gameplay means nothing when people are stripped from almost getting to make pseudo physical contact with their waifu.

        • Fandangle

          The petting minigame was gameplay, no?

        • TheOneandOnlyGamer

          That is true. Waifu trumps everything.

  • TheOneandOnlyGamer

    And what is truly wrong with this? We have games with violence, rape, decapitations, and a plumber crushing the spines of the animals he crashes on, buy you can’t affectionately pet your mate or party member?

    NOA, I don’t even anymore.

    And yes, your communication still sucks and is a big part why you always have so much controversy.

  • Raiden

    Stay tuned, I guarantee they’ll remove the ‘bathhouse bonding’ too.

    • Fandangle

      And I thought the 8-4 translation of Awakening was bad. This is just completely and utterly insulting.

  • ben

    OK. Having played the Japanese version and finding the petting game both pointless and sometimes a little strange… I would also like to put forward the argument that it did increase the roll play aspect of the game. If you really did like one of the people on your team and you wanted to roll play Corrin to the full extent it allowed a certain amount of personal commitment to increasing the bound between the two characters. Once the marriage has occurred the game works to continue leveling up the relationship. You could argue this is totally not required in the game. However, the removal just removes a level of depth in the roll playing that some players may have wanted. It is likely this was only removed to appease uptight American reviewers, which is sad because players should be able to choose how they play a game. Again, i would not miss this part of the “my castle” section, however, I am not going to lie and say that when ever I turn the game on I dont give Camilla a little rub….

    • ben

      What also needs to be considered is.. all these people who live in my castle are my slaves and if I want to rub their little cheeky faces that is my choice!

  • ben

    American culture rape continues ;P

  • Raiden

    More people should recommend this discussion. We need to get the news out.

    and this whole controversy could have been avoided with something as simple as an off switch

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/71/96/81/7196810a41ecd7eea5016c01dcae8eca.jpg

  • alex9234

    Ok, here’s my two cents:

    The reason Nintendo did this was because of cultural differences.

    Developers can get away with stuff like this in Japan because the age of consent
    is 13. America, on the other hand, as well as the European nations, is EXTREMELY prudish when it comes to sexualizing fictional females under 18 (and I STRESS ‘fictional’).

    Some lesser known companies can get away with it (Atlus, NIS, for example). Nintendo, unfortunately, cannot.

    Anyone remember what happened with Tomodachi Life? Nintendo patched out a bug that corrupted peoples’ save files, and everyone and their mother spun it as ‘OMG Nintedo baleeted teh gai marrij!’

    If these people are willing to MAKE UP reasons to smear Nintendo, imagine what would happen if Nintendo handed them a reason on a silver platter.

    By removing the mini game and the drugging scene, as well as what they did with Fatal Frame (much to the sorrow of NeoGAF moderators) and Xenoblade (much to the sorrow of weeaboos), Nintendo is solving the problem BEFORE it starts. They’re going with the move that will give them the least amount of backlash. Like it or not, video game consumers are NOT the majority.

    I don’t like these changes, but I understand that Nintendo has a reputation to uphold within a close-minded society. If we want to fix this, then the best we can do is write our local Congressmen, get them to finally realize that there IS a difference between fantasy and reality.

    Complaining to Nintendo via Twitter, email, etc. is like applying a cure to the wrong
    disease. You can’t solve a problem if you don’t know where the problem
    has originated.

    • Fandangle

      “Developers can get away with stuff like this in Japan because the age of consent is
      13. America, on the other hand, as well as the European nations, is
      EXTREMELY prudish when it comes to sexualizing fictional females under
      18 (and I STRESS ‘fictional’).”

      Actually no. The laws only include scenes of overt sexuality and it’s INCREDIBLY specific about this. I had more than a few arguments about this when Fatal Frame came around and they had outfits censored.

      The short version is: If the character is outright having sex then it falls under the law. Petting is not considered a sexual act, you can’t even touch the character’s boobs or crotch, and therefor it’s not illegal anywhere.

      “drugging”
      It wasn’t drugging. Did you actually read the dialogue in the support?

  • 89abe

    I don’t typically comment on stuff like this because the changes are usually trivial, but NoA is getting out of hand. This is straight up removing features for no adequate reason. It’s also now going to be impossible to talk about this game on the internet. Thanks a lot. NoA and Reggie sucks balls, they shouldn’t touch anything besides mario and zelda. Should have just let 8-4 handle the localization.

    • Fandangle

      And I was called crazy when I said that “if we don’t put our foot down now they’re just going to keep going” all the way back with Fatal Frame.

      Saying “I told you so” to people who defended the censorship in Fatal Frame and Xenoblade never felt so bittersweet.

      • Raiden

        Eventually censorship will get so bad here in the west that Gamers will just give up and start importing and jailbreaking Japanese games to cut out the middleman.

        • Fandangle

          Not even that. It’s cheaper just to wait and pirate games on emulators and hacked systems. The 3DS is already blown wide open and the hacking scene is flourishing as of last month. Version 10.3 and below is completely hackable and you can play Fates WITH the fan translation instead of nitnendo’s butchered one.

          The best way to send a message to businessmen is to cut off their flow of money. If we starve NoJ of cash by not buying the game wholesale, they’ll either go on a giant Piracy binge or will be forced to admit that something isn’t right.

          • ben

            Just send emails to Nintendo Japan that Nintendo localization is not right in America.

          • Raiden

            The problem is that most people won’t really care and still buy the game because Fates is more or less for casual gamers. Games are appealing more and more to a casual demographic and are becoming more samey and homogenized as a result.

          • Fandangle

            ” Fates is more or less for casual gamers.”

            Good lord has this series fallen.

          • Raiden

            Well. . . it has an option for Casual gamers who want to enjoy the story.

          • Fandangle

            It’s an option, but it’s slowly degrading the franchise. Fans of the original style of game aren’t going to be pandered to anymore, it’ll be all awakening fans now because Awakening was so popular. Even the Nohr path isn’t as faithful as some people would like it to be. Then there is things like Phoenix mode which is downright insulting to some people because of how laughably easy it is. Then there was FEA’s difficulty which relied way too heavily on RNG and grinding was basically required if you wanted a solid way to beat the game which is NOT how the older games did things.

            Eventually it comes to the point where the old fanbase will look to the devs and say “Really? This is what you think of us now?”

            I can see how a lot of people take the “It’s okay to casualize things! It attracts a larger audience!” because, yeah, if gets teh devs more money and more people can enjoy the franchise, but for what this usually means for older fans is basically dumbed down EVERYTHING and compared to the original Awakening and if are pretty “meh” in terms of deeper mechanics. the games are incredibly exploitable and breakable, the child units are incredibly overpowered and the dual unit mechanic makes everything else ridiculously easy. The fact that they’re also allowing people to grind in Awakening and Hoshido just makes all these already broken mechanics even more broken. Then there is a problem with Story and Art style, which is more subjective I guess, but personally I like the older more 90’s style of every game before awakening. Now you see characters that honestly look like incredibly generic modern anime characters.

            That’s juts my two cents.

          • Raiden

            A similar problem is happening in the Anime Industry. It’s symptomatic of something much bigger happening in Japanese culture in general.

          • This is so ironic considering the thing being “censored” was put in there to appeal to people who probably weren’t interested in the old school Fire Emblems. So defending the inclusion of the petting mini-game goes hand-in-hand with defending the current path Fire Emblem is going down, which is oh no appealing to casuals and people who weren’t interested in the original games.

            But I guess it’s OK to defend the inclusion of otaku pandering BS because uh… artistic integrity? Something like that?

          • Fandangle

            Basically. I mean at least IS is TRYING to appeal to older fans with games like Nohr, but they have a LONG way to go in order to make their games mechanically deep and balanced again.

            IMO they had it almost perfect with Radiant Dawn but they took two steps back with the following DS remakes and then they’re slowly moving in a completely different direction with awakening and Fates/If

        • ben

          I think Nintendo should offer a Japanese localized version and an American Localized version that game stop can stock for the soccer moms.

          • Fandangle

            NoA wont go for that. The entire reason the Treehouse was established is to counteract the majority of poorly translated video games coming out at the time. It’s a little ironic that they’re quickly descending into one of the worst translators in the business.

          • ben

            Their translations are like translations done by people who dont speak Japanese.

      • ben

        It is stupid. People know what they are getting when they buy any of these games. No one is shocked by skimpy outfits in Fatal Frame… and it is much weirder when you have the characters dressing as Zelda characters. The whole Lin thing was dumb too…

  • ben

    NoA is basically just destroying Nintendo.They make all the wrong decisions. Advertising for Splatoon in the US was embarrassing.

    • Meogeo Meogeo

      Not sure if this a joke post or not.

      • ben

        Not a joke at all.

    • Justin McQuillen

      I agree, I can’t stand the Treehouse. I have insane amounts of respect for Bill Trinen though.

  • Justin McQuillen

    I’m starting to dislike Fire Emblem more and more — not because of censorship — but because it’s starting to get really gay. I like girls.

    • ben

      It was always really gay. The localization has protected you ;P

      • Justin McQuillen

        Well then, I’m glad they omitted certain parts. I actually wouldn’t consider that censorship of the same caliber as say Earthbound which actually had a vulgar sentiment towards the United States removed (the real reason we haven’t seen Mother 3 is that it is way more extreme with this message). This is just removing content that is really borderline creepy and/or pedophilia.

        • ben

          I mean.. nothing is more gay than a man with a sword. It is just a big phallic pole. Star wars is the gayest movie ever made. Phallic pole expands before too men go at each other.

  • Fabio Manoel

    I cannot understand WHY you guys keep giving your support to Nintendo. I
    think is very much offensive all this censorship in all their games in
    the west. Nintendo keep insisting that ONLY LITTLE KIDS play games in
    the west. I refuse to support NIntendo. No buy.

    • Kaihaku

      Because we’re mildly bemused rather than offended? Nintendo doesn’t make any sense – they publish things like Devil’s Third and Bayonetta 2 but then take the breast slider out of Xenoblade Chronicles X (which was far from the most “adult” thing in that game)… It’s stupid but I don’t find it offensive.

      I think of Nintendo like Grandpa. Grandpa has dementia so he makes weird decisions and those decisions offend many people but for me it’s just Grandpa being Grandpa. Also, Grandpa still makes some of the best games out there and does it like no one else.

  • Blake Good

    Gotta love censorship!

  • Nemu

    Fire Emblem Fates more like Fire Emblem Censor

  • Jason Shields

    Hold on everyone! Do not fall for this information for it is actually fake! This fake rumor was started by the writers of Kotaku who wanted to do nothing more than to fool us. If you are angry about this lie blame Kotaku for starting it. In any case REJOICE! for face rubbing is still in!

    • Raiden

      What? WHAT? Are you telling the truth?

      Link or it didn’t happen.

    • Reggie

      Source please.

      • Jason Shields

        http://thatoneotherinternetdweller.tumblr.com/post/138116406899/epictacticianjay-feifheadcanons. Here’s your source. The picture is from the english version of the game and if you look closely you can see an ! mark above my room. The ONLY things you can do in my room is change your hairstyle or rub faces. Also you can’t just rub anyone anytime, the game decides who you can rub. Pretty sure you would not get an ! mark for hairstyle.

        • Reggie

          You should probably send that as a tip to Nintendo Everything so they can write an update or a new post about it, cause there’s so many replies in this one that no one will notice that.

          • Jason Shields

            Just did now. Thanks for the idea man!

          • Raiden

            If Kotaku did lie about this just to stir up some controversy, they’d get a serious blacklisting from Nintendo. The odds of it being false is low, and if it is Nintendo will certainly clarify it immediately to stop the bad press.

        • Raiden

          They could be using the treehouse for other features, while excluding the petting minigame. Or using an early version of the game, before they censored it.

          I hope you aren’t wrong though. I really want to play this game without feeling guilty for supporting censorship of Japanese games.

  • TheGoldenDunsparce

    Well, that video was awkward…

  • Adrian Brown

    If you want petting go and play Nintendogs or Pokémon.

  • Alice

    Literally laughing right now.

    I keep seeing people ask “Why would Nintendo add this and then take it out of the localization?”

    People, otaku are literally keeping Fire Emblem afloat in Japan, instead of the hardcore Tactical players. Moe, incest, inappropriate touching is what sells to their fanbase because it’s forbidden and they get to do it with their waifus. Japan doesn’t cater to Westerners. Cause guess what? They only get a marginal dividend of what we sell. We just happen to get the game because Nintendo of America thinks it would do well over here.

    Plus, I wouldn’t want some kid playing this game petting a character. I started playing Fire Emblem at 8 and the game would’ve been banned if I had started petting my characters. Can you picture that conversation, “Hey mom, I’m petting my sister in the game……”

    • Fandangle

      FE was never the deepest SRPG but it was still had that nice and high accessibility barrier. While it’s true that otaku are basically keeping the series afloat, it’s not true that the more hardcore SRPG fans were ever keeping the series afloat.

      Also your comment about kids… it’s an M rated game, the series is usually rated T. Kids will NEVER play this game unless you’re a bad parent who actually buys kids games like CoD. In fact removing this content and comments like this will only perpetuate the “video games are only for children!” fallacy.

    • I love how literally none of these whiners want to mention the otaku aspect, I suppose because if they did they’d have to recognize that maybe the thing being “censored” was not put in the game originally due to “artistic integrity” but was included as a way to generate revenue.

  • What’s so wrong for having extra game modes? No one should be arguing that removing content that was originally in the game to be a good thing.

    • kthanxyousuck

      What if the people who bought the original game didn’t like it either?

      • TheMattBattalion

        Then they can avoid it. It’s simple and logical. I don’t like that Zero is in the game, should I demand that he get kicked out? No, I just avoid him and don’t use him.

      • LordKaizer

        Then they won’t use that feature. See, it’s easy. Don’t like something, don’t use it.

  • Jose Cantu

    -Hey you wanna play this Japanese game?

    -Sure I like that stuff!

    -Okay but don’t do this or this or that. Actually let me just take those out your not Japanese enough to understand.

    -B.. But I…

  • Too far. I tried to defend Nintendo a bit on some of this, but it is starting to get pretty ridiculous now.

  • Anon

    This is FALSE information. Kotaku is LYING, and the skinship has NOT been removed! In My Castle, there should be an exclamation mark above My Room, which lets you know that you can pet people’s faces. This is shown in English gameplays. If you don’t believe me, click on the link or search up gameplays yourself. https://twitter.com/therealzef/status/692195833907904512/photo/1

    • Raiden

      We need confirmation from Nintendo itself before we can believe a screenshot over a news article that claims to have gotten the scoop from a Nintendo Rep.

  • kthanxyousuck

    Have people seen the translated conversations that take place while you’re rubbing their face before they claim they’re harmless? Or just being outraged because “something changed”

    They never said they were removing the conversations, they could have simply deactivated the touch screen feature. It’s still listed on the official game website. I don’t care about face petting one way or another.

    And it’s amazing that people who are against censorship are claiming they stand up for gamers, yet there are a vocal amount of gamers (who are FE fans) who never wanted this in the game at all, yet their opinions aren’t important because reasons. So they’re not allowed to change the game even if it’s a change people want?

    • Raiden

      Yes. I have. Whats the problem? Nothing! It’s equal opportunity, it’s done to for both male and female characters. Nobody but the perpetually offended would care if it comes off as a bit sexual.

      Censorship in any form is disgusting, and anyone who is for censorship in ANY FORM is also disgusting. If you don’t like something in a product, then you have a right to take your business elsewhere and buy a product that suits you, stop trying trying to take said product away and/or butcher it contrary to the intent of the artist and enjoyment of the customer. It should be allowed to succeed or fail based purely on economics, not on your personal opinion or the opinion of ANY shrill minority.

      The people who have a problem with controversial content in any form of media, be it a game, movie, or novel are ALWAYS in the minority. They don’t matter because they aren’t the ones who are going to pay most of the money and turn a profit for the author. But lately, game developers always seem to cowtow to the minority instead of those who pay their bills!

      Furthermore, the petting option was/is entirely optional! You WOULD have had an option to turn it off! But that doesn’t mean Nintendo Of America has a right to take it away from the people who did want to enjoy it!

      • kthanxyousuck

        I know it’s optional, but it’s not as if this was something that people expected or wanted in Fire Emblem. Or are people against censorship simply not caring that the fan base never wanted it in the first place? If they would have taken it out of the Japanese version, would you still be fighting for it? If NOA released a poll where 80% of consumers say they wanted it removed, would you still fight for it? Probably because most anti-censorship gamers don’t care about whether it imrpoves the game or not, whether gamers like it or not, whether it’s good or bad because they paint everything with the same brush.

        As I said, the claim is they fight for “gamers” but you only respect the opinion of gamers that agree with you, just like everyone else. There’s nothing that makes your opinion superior or elite.

        And if this game sells better than awakening, it’ll just show this was a non-issue for most fans of the series. But what will anti-censorship gamers say? Will they admit that it wasn’t an issue for Fire Emblem fans or will they just insult the people who want to enjoy the game by saying they are misinformed or ruining the industry. Will they claim everyone who hated it is just a prude afraid of sex because LOL you can’t handle anything sexual. You guys all say the exact same things.

  • TheMattBattalion

    Well, I just went to the store and canceled my preorder.
    What type of person willingly all of this censorship happen and still wants to buy this game?
    You would have to be a complete tool to think this is okay after how long they’ve ****ed up the series. Then again, I’m sure that some people would be okay with it having micro transactions with a paywall and they would still be rushing to buy it.

    • Raiden

      If this turns out to be overexaggerated or an outright lie from Kotaku (it probably isn’t tho). You’re going to feel really silly.

      • TheMattBattalion

        They’ve censored a lot of stuff already. To be honest, I’ve decided to wait until we actually get more info about what we need, how the game is going to be handled and what we are going to get in the end. I found a place that was offering it for a cheaper price anyways and the game doesn’t excite me as much as it use to when I first heard about it in early 2015. I have more important things to do than play another dumbed down SRPG with a diluted story (like Nohr’s story and how it turns out instead of what is being advertised).

        • 821lancevance .

          I hate to see how censored smt x fe will be. I bet that won’t even come west now because it has skin.

    • kthanxyousuck

      Was it the special edition? Please tell me where you are so I can take it.

      As for your other question, its easy. People who don’t care about censorship. I play whatever comes over here, however it comes over. I’m too busy enjoying what I play to worry about what stuff people in another country have.

  • Anthony Derome

    This looks dumb and drawn out xD It’d probably be cute if it wasn’t a mini game and didn’t last like… 54 seconds too long lol

  • Raiden

    Remember people! “Nobody is coming to take your video games away”

    http://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/377/882/2882377.gif

  • T.U. A.

    As someone has the JP version, already cleared all three paths, and spent 538 hours on this game, I just want to say removing this function is… very unnecessary… :/ Yeah it was fun for the first 50+ hours of gameplay, but it gets boring eventually. This “mini-game” can improve your relationships between Kamui/Corrin and other characters, but it does not play a significant role. But considering there might be players under 16 years old, I’d say it is still a wise move made by Nintendo NA.

  • Lol, so many comments. I can already guess how a lot of this went. I do think NE is a much better site than most others though, so I hope and assume there was also intelligent discussion.

    I’m not huge on FE since Awakening, but I am kind of interested in Fates. That they’re still trying to shoehorn in fanservice is annoying, but I do like some of the characters.

    • kthanxyousuck

      It wasn’t and most of the people commenting aren’t regulars on this site. They just came to scream “boycott NOA” and move on

      • Yeah, I noticed a lot of random names. I don’t understand why people come to a site they don’t visit just to scream about censorship and leave. I’m glad they don’t stick around, but why come to begin with? lol

  • Richárd Duska

    I also het the fact that they are treating the US and the EU as the same continent. Wich is wrong all tugether.
    Until they adde it as a dowload or remasterd wersion or something I won’t buy this game. No matter wher rewievs it gets. No matter goot the gameplay is. I won’t buy it. Because it’s an inferior wersion. Period.

  • Richárd Duska

    Where are my comments? Do they got removed?

  • 821lancevance .

    If noa censor this little petting mini game. I hate to think how butchered set x fe will be. That game probably won’t even come west now because it has skin and boobs

  • MouseNo4

    Its funny how there is literally no confirmation at all if you take out the [ ] inserted words that Kotaku added.

    • Raiden

      We STILL Have no confirmation from Nintendo either way.

      • MouseNo4

        Even Serene’s Forest (biggest FE fan website) are reporting this as FACT. In Nintendo’s OWN WORDS only, they did NOT confirm ”face petting” was removed from the western release at all! It was Kotaku who added the words to imply it was being removed. They are the ones who made the connection between Nintendo and the removal, not Nintendo themselves.

        • Raiden

          Then where is Nintendo’s publicity department to say that this is false? It’s been a whole day! If it wasn’t true you’d think someone in charge would have spoken up by now!

          • MouseNo4

            I know! WTF is up with this Nintendo!?!

          • Raiden

            This is why. . . probably.

  • MagcargoMan

    >495 Comments

    • Raiden

      and only four recommendations. . . (hint)(hint)

  • 500 comments of heated discussions about face petting… Wow. Did the Xenoblade bust slider even get this much?

    Also, “heated discussions about face petting” is not a string of words I ever thought I’d see (much less, say). XD

  • Adam Zaorski

    So long nintendo, it’s been a rough ride but censorship is bad and I won’t support it.

    • SquareSide

      Zelda U my last Nintendo game. NoA is doing so much wrong.

      • dannyxzero

        I dont blame you….NOA is a blight on Nintendo.

  • Deus Solaris

    To people who say “it’s creepy” “I don’t want it anyway”, it’s an optional feature and they will take away something you like in the future and you will regret letting them censoring more each day

    • kthanxyousuck

      Or I’ll never care about what’s taken out of a game in a language I can’t play. There are some people who really don’t care about censorship or even know it exists you know lol.

  • Alex Mai

    “We have not included any features which are considered inappropriate in Japan.”

    So… they admit the petting feature is relatively tame, and then remove it from the western version anyways.

    I was thinking of buying the game just because it might be a good time for me to hop back into the franchise since I last was able to play it on the GBA, but if this hypocritical explanation is all they have for their absurd decision, maybe I’ll wait until some other time.

    • kthanxyousuck

      I wouldn’t call it tame looking at translation of the dialogue.

      You have to remember what Japan considers tame and appropriate isn’t the same as most in the US. If it were Loli’s and Idols wouldn’t stir up so many issues here.

      • Alex Mai

        From what I’ve seen of the translations, they look more tame than some of the things that appear on US network television and the film industry.

        I still disapprove of this censorship, and I won’t be supporting it with my money. Maybe FE on the next generation of handhelds won’t have this flaw.

  • Amberleigh Myers

    Annd Im no longer buying it. Take out all the fun features and what do we get? Some stupid little cosplay closet. .-.

    • kthanxyousuck

      So you were buying it to pet characters….not for the strategy rpg?

  • Dgrinn

    sad.. hence why LovePlus never made it outside Japan, they would have to censor the whole game even though it’s not even the least bit explicit or anything,lol.

  • Dgrinn

    ideally NX will bring a new region free era for Nintendo.. or nintendo of Japan will adopt the new trend of adding English subtitles in all their game like how Japanese version of Hyrule Warriors Legends turned out.. that way NoA will be demoted into a dubbing company that will selectively import only 1/3 of the available consoles or heavily censor the games any way they desire while we play the Japanese games with English subtitles, the first day of their release in our Japanese consoles and not wait a whole year or never know if we’ll ever see a localization ever(Style Savvy 3)..

    • Akemi Homura

      Agreed. A same similar case with PlayAsia selling the multi-language format for DOAX3. We need to cut out the middleman so they don’t get to decide on how much slice of the pie (or what’s in it) that everyone else gets.

  • bclinguist

    So do I get a price break since they’re cutting content–however minuscule and plot-irrelevant as some might argue it to be–or do I have to pay full price?

  • Mitt_Romney_2012

    Can we please remove this comment section from the site? Why are these people allowed to have a voice? It’s not like anything they say matters.

  • Mitt_Romney_2012

    I for one am glad that this feature is removed, even though I don’t play video games.But there a far more things that need to be removed. The whole pairing system is misogynistic, and relationships between characters discriminates against asexual people. Also, I am highly offended by the battle system. Why must video games depict war so much? Its disrespectful to real victims of war. I’m also very angered by the fact that there are no Albino or Muslim characters. Does Nintendo hate diversification? Also, every female MUST be clothed properly, I don’t want to see any skin whatsoever on the female characters, as that would, again, be misogynistic. And why is the main character able to be a boy and a girl? They should have just made xer/xim a transgender. Representation, Nintendo. HELLO?! Also, this game should be free, the opposite would discriminate against low-income families who are unable to purchase such software. Doesn’t Nintendo know BLM???? You know what? I’m friends with many of the Treehouse staff, and I will send them a lengthly email to have these changes put into effect IMMEDIATELY. Any and all who disagree with me a worse than Hitler. But we shall overcome. I mean, its not like Nintendo customers opinions matter. Me and my friends are more important than them.

    • Reggie

      Nice sarcasm.

      • Sleepy Abra

        you better vote for Mitt 2016

  • Mitt_Romney_2012

    I for one am glad that this feature is removed, even though I don’t play video games. But there a far more things that need to be removed. The whole pairing system is misogynistic, and relationships between characters discriminates against asexual people. Also, I am highly offended by the battle system. Why must video games depict war so much? Its disrespectful to real victims of war. I’m also very angered by the fact that there are no Albino or Muslim characters. Does Nintendo hate diversification? Also, every female MUST be clothed properly, I don’t want to see any skin whatsoever on the female characters, as that would, again, be misogynistic. And why is the main character able to be a boy and a girl? They should have just made xer/xim a transgender. Representation, Nintendo. HELLO?! Also, this game should be free, the opposite would discriminate against low-income families who are unable to purchase such software. Doesn’t Nintendo know BLM???? You know what? I’m friends with many of the Treehouse staff, and I will send them a lengthly email to have these changes put into effect IMMEDIATELY. Any and all who disagree with me a worse than Hitler. But we shall overcome. I mean, its not like Nintendo customers opinions matter. Me and my friends are more important than them.

  • Chuck
    • KnightWonder

      That’s odd. Do you know if the exclamation points show up for anything else, or it just for the characters?

      • Chuck

        According to my friend who has played both games pretty extensively, he says that the exclamation point is only for the petting mini-game thing. I myself don’t own a japanese 3ds, so I can’t verify but I have no reason to distrust my friend so…yeah.

        • Raiden

          Then why hasn’t Nintendo said something by now?

    • Raiden

      Maybe instead of the touching mini game it simply cuts to black when you choose to “spend time” with your spouse or comrade?

  • Celeste Penetrante

    What?! No fair!! Why?! Why can’t you skinship your husbando/waifu?! :'(

  • Felipe M.

    How dare Nintendo take away my waifu!! I will be suing them for stealing my waifu! >:

  • Kaboom

    … Welp! Looks like I’m canceling my pre-order!

  • MFlorian

    The people who say this is no big deal completely miss the point. It isn’t about wanting this particular feature.

    It’s about having moral puritans having influence in the content of what I choose to purchase or not. About them having a louder voice than me … THE ACTUAL CUSTOMER … in what has a place in the marketplace.

    And it has nothing to do with anything other than their ideology. Because if something that they condemn as “wrong” sells regardless of their outrage, it makes them look like the lunatics they are.

    So, it has to go so they can be “right”.

    And if you don’t have a problem with it now, I’m sure you will when they come after something you DO care for.

  • tj3dsxl

    ooh “IF” I was your girl, oh the things i’d do to you………

  • quickshooter

    Bring back my WaifuPettingMiniGame Nintendo of America I mean Censorship of America

    OR I WILL PIRATE THINE GAME WITH RIGHTOUS FURY!

  • PinkRabbit

    Oh yeah, thank the gods they censored this one. Just think what could happen if teenagers found out that people have faces.

    I’m always against censoring stuff in localisations, but this is just… What? It’s so insignificant, so inoffensive. They got the fans on their case, and for pretty much nothing ultimately.

  • Kurono Caesar (Blessed Paradox

    This was creepy, in both ways

    Why did it got removed? It looks so fun


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