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PlatinumGames creative producer talks Bayonetta 2 Wii U exclusivity

Posted on March 2, 2014 by (@NE_Brian) in News, Wii U

During a presentation held at UCF’s Center for Emerging Media last week, PlatinumGames creative producer JP Kellams shared a few words pertaining to Bayonetta 2’s Wii U exclusivity.

Asked about the challenges in moving between publishers and platforms, Kellams said that the game “would not exist without Nintendo white knighting that project.” In the end, Platinum “really wanted to make Bayonetta 2,” and that’s what mattered most.

Without getting into some stuff that is both business and confidential, the simple question I’d like to ask you is, ‘Do you want to play Bayonetta 2?’ Bayonetta 2 would not exist without Nintendo white knighting that project. So while I totally understand that people want to play it on the platforms that they’ve played it on previously, we really wanted to make Bayonetta 2.

And when pressed further – mainly regarding how much Platinum has to oversell, given the new audience and whatnot – Kellams added:

But if you were going to sell a game on a Nintendo platform, what publisher would you choose? Right, Nintendo. Right? So if you’re going to sell a game on a Nintendo platform, the publisher that you want to be with is Nintendo because they know how best to service their audience and they’re going to do the best job of explaining your game to that platform. You very rarely see huge, major third-party successes on Nintendo platforms because it’s really hard to fight against Mario, right? It’s why Universal isn’t as big as Disney. I mean, it’s really hard to fight somebody on that kind of turf, so…

We really wanted to make Bayonetta 2. And Bayonetta 2 is a project that we were passionate about. And when we couldn’t… when the business situation changed and we couldn’t make it the way that we were originally planning on making it, we definitely wanted to make sure that our project survived. I’ve seen Bayonetta 2 – I look at it every single day of my life when I’m in the office. It’s really cool and the world is going to be a better place because Bayonetta 2 is in it.

I spend a lot of time on Twitter seeing people get really angry, ‘Why is it not on PS3 and 360?’ Right? So kind of the way it went was, ‘Why do we have to buy a Wii U for one game? Why isn’t it on PS3 or 360?’ And now that the Xbox One and the PS4 are out, it’s ‘Why isn’t it on PS4 or Xbox One?’ So then it’s not about buying a piece of hardware, it’s just that you didn’t want it on the Wii U.

And that’s cool, I mean maybe that system’s not for you, or maybe that platform isn’t what you want to play games on, but we really want to make Bayonetta 2 and we think it’s going to be a fun game and the people who do play it are going to really enjoy it and I think that we made the right decision to make sure that game survived. I mean I’d rather be in a world with Bayonetta 2 than without.

Thanks to Jake for the tip.

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  • This guy knows what he is saying and many fanboys should listen to him. Even if Bayonetta were to be a X1 or PS4 exclusive, people would still be arguing about it claiming it to be in their favorite system.

    Les just enjoy it, dont like Wii U? Dont buy it then. You would like to play Bayonetta 2? Buy a Wii U. Simple as that.

    • Jason Mounce

      Tell that to all the Nintendo fans who clearly haven’t bought a Wii U. Lol…..Nintendos own fanbase isn’t even buying their newest system.

      No need to treat the other fanbases as if they’re scum, when how people are reacting are not just of the divided fanbases of rival console-makers’, but also by a gamers perspective and with the knowledge that this game – simply won’t sell, even if funded by Nintendo.

      I don’t get why people at this point in time seem to be unfamiliar with the factor that majority of third-party games that are not Nintendo-IP involved just do not sell on Nintendo hardware, Platinum Games will gain nothing. This game will become, if anything, a hidden gem, as many games had become on Gamecube. This is, Gamecube 2.0.

      • Gary Ryckewaert

        Wow, you read a lot of what isn’t between the lines dude.

        • Jason Mounce

          Sorry if thinking outside the box and using logic makes your own mind struggle as it is. No worries, I don’t expect sheeple to understand simple logic.

          • GABRIEL GARCIA

            The only logic here is that u are trolling. Shuu get out of here shuu shuu

          • Jason Mounce

            Your post clearly doesn’t reek of immaturity at all.

            Ignorance never settles a question. Child.

            “This person is posting something that upsets me, there’s no way I can logically debate with him so instead I’m going to label him a troll as if this word MAGICALLY INVALIDATES everything he says then tell him to ‘Shuu’.”

          • Vigilante_blade

            1) It’s spelled “You”, not “U”.

            2) “Shuu”? Seriously?

            3) Criticizing what a company does is not necessarily trolling. Hell, I get called an X-Box fanboy when I say that Nintendo is making some bad choices despite never having owned a Microsoft system.

            Fanboys like you who blindly follow a company, defending it through its worse decisions simply leads the rest of the fanbase disatisfied as the company slowly whither away to irrelevance. I want Nintendo to succeed, but the fanatical Nintendo fans are what is oreventing Nintendo from figuring out what it is doing wrong and what they can change to improve as a company. Plus, you’re making us, the rest of the fanbase look bad. It’s posts like this that make other people think Nintendo’s targeted at little kids.

            4) Grow up, kid. You can be a fan without agreeing with everything the thing you’re a fan of does. It’s called critical thinking.

      • smashbrolink

        This game is getting tons more press than the original did, and it’s also showing improvements over the first version as well.
        If it doesn’t sell, it won’t be because Nintendo fans haven’t bought it or the system, it’ll be because the supposed “true” fans were only half-hearted about their claim, and didn’t want to support it on a system they hate.
        Which is shallow and pathetic.

        • Jason Mounce

          Doesn’t matter if it gets as much, or lesser press. It is doomed financially and sales-wise before launch – even if the review scores are good.

          Your perception of what defines a ‘true fan’ is cryptic, vague, and nothing but an excuse. ‘True fans’? So, it’s the ‘True Fans’ fault especially if a game they may want to play is on a console they do not own and if they wish to play that one game they have to buy a Wii U, and if they do not? It shows that they’re SHALLOW AND PATHETIC? For not dishing, $400+? For ‘a’ game? Bayonetta sold decent for a new IP, but it is -NOT- a Hardware-seller class-game.

          The ‘True Fans’ whomever they are, never asked nor demanded it to be on Nintendos console. Platinum Games had said it’s only on Nintendos console for already-known reasons, but that does not define or equate that that is where THEIR DEMOGRAPH IS LOCATED.

          If you cannot grasp that very simple, fundamental logic then there’s no debate. Beyond the third-party failures on Wii and Wii U being alarmingly and blatantly obvious, it’s also the question of where those ORIGINAL 2 MILLION SALES DERIVED FROM on the Original title….now, lets see….It was PS3/360 Exclusive? Hmmm…! I wonder how many of those 2 Million, were infact Nintendo fans, how many of them were Mario fans, or perhaps? How many were DMC fans or God of War fans or are Microsoft or Sony fans. This demographic is catered by the general-knowledge which is that majority of fast-paced action games are on Sony’s platform or Microsofts and not Nintendos’.

          There’s nothing else to debate as this is the ultimatum and the facts. There is no peer pressuring for fans of the series to buy a whole new console aka the Wii U for a game that isn’t a hardware seller. They would not be ‘Shallow and pathetic’ nor is your degradation even valid. I don’t even know where you came up with a ‘True fans were only half-hearted of their claim’ you spout ‘Claim’ as if there’s some common knowledge that fans out there claim they’d mystically buy the game ‘Oh if only a sequel was released’ and as if they went ‘Oh yey finally it was announced’ only for ‘all or majority of fans’ to go ‘Oh woe is me its on Nintendo I dont want it anymore because I’m shallow and pathetic’.

          • TalesOfBS

            Stop crying sonydrone.

          • Jason Mounce

            I don’t even mention what platform I prefer in any of my posts.

            So good job.

          • Clumsyman

            I was about to post something about this..

          • Jason Mounce

            You might be the first person outside of myself to likely have common sense in this cave or have the comprehension of a normal human being or greater. Be careful in how you speak here, lest the Nintenyearolds attack and invalidate your words by revealing how big of a poopoo head you are.

            I spoke of analysis and archival research and Nintendos history, announced myself as raising speculation and argued A would lead to B and that I believed it to be the most realistic of results to what will happen to the software sales of Bayonetta 2. I get told that I was arguing ‘Facts’ all along and that my ‘Facts’ are wrong and that I’m stupid.

            So, good luck! I advise you to run from here.

          • Clumsyman

            Thats why I only comment on here every now and again. 😀

          • Jason Mounce

            You’re likely wiser than me by following that guideline in itself. I’m too outspoken for my own good.

          • TalesOfBS

            Look how cute, a couple of trolls

          • Jason Mounce

            Watch out, since you’ve spoken to me. You’re now correlated with me and you’re not being called a troll. LOL

          • Clumsyman

            Too late, I got called a troll already just for talking to you. D:

          • Jason Mounce

            Reminds me of this for some reason:

          • Clumsyman

            HAHAHA! xD Goodness, that was amazing. 😀 Too bad we can’t find and punch actual trolls though. :/

          • Jason Mounce

            I did post a ‘Troll’-like post down below regarding Wii U having no games.

            All I did was lure another troll albeit an amateur and predictable troll. Still, my original purpose here was just to speak realistically that even though I wish Platinum Games will do well since their games are great like Vanquish, I still will bet all my money on Nintendos comical history with Third-party titles never selling well. I’d like if at least someone could show me a third-party game that isn’t a Nintendo-IP that actually sold (For example, Metroid Prime can’t count in its days because it’s ‘Metroid’, a Nintendo IP even if not made by Nintendo themselves)

          • Mark LaVerne

            Rayman Legends. Now, RL didn’t sell as much on Wii U as on PS4, but still outsold the XOne version. One could argue that aprox. 230.000 games sold isn’t good enough for selling “well”, but according to that logic, the 360 version truly bombed. So relatively, RL did pretty well on Wii U.

            Now, I see you spend quite a lot of time here, trying to convince people that “Nintendo is doomed”. Well, I think we all can agree that Nintendo’s 3rd party relationships are pretty abysmal. That’s pretty obvious, even for fanboys. So, my question to you is this: where are you going with this? We’re just discussing the games we enjoy playing. I’m quite amazed seeing how much time you’re willing to spend taking shots at someone else’s favourite hobby. Is it really that important to you?

          • Jason Mounce

            “Well, I think we all can agree that Nintendo’s 3rd party relationships are pretty abysmal.”

            That is pretty much my entire statement as a whole. It’s me talking about the stereotype that is their 3rd party relationships. Lesser on ‘Nintendo being doomed’ as I don’t really focus on that. All I said regarding ‘doom’ is that I believe Wii U will simply be the next Gamecube, wherein, it may have decent value ‘in the end’. But it will sell minimal amounts and be cut off like Gamecube was.

            All the rest are the upset little Nintenyearolds overreacting. Nor would I say I ‘spend a lot of time here’ I post fast and was speaking in my free time that I had while in the midst of doing a project. Dealing with stupid people isn’t really important to me, there’s always that glitter of hope that I find someone who’s infact intelligent or isn’t a rambling, rabid, frothing-at-the-mouth horrendously idiotic child who feels obligated to attack and become hostile because they feel a stranger over the internet offended their most prized piece of plastic, metal and circuitry, as if I offended their entire lives in the process.

            Kids are drama divas these days.

          • Mark LaVerne

            I agree. Although, taking to namecalling (“Nintenyearolds”) makes you look a bit immature, wouldn’t you say? I mean, talk about setting an example, buddy.

            In the 80’s and 90’s, we were all trying to convince each other that their console of choice were the superior one. Man, did that turn stale pretty fast. Spending time on Nintendo fan pages, telling other people that there is something wrong with their entertainment of choice, seems like the very definition of “wasting time”. Why is it so important to you? I mean, is this really your definition of a good time?

            I know, we all did that back in the days. But you know what, I’m gonna let you in on a little secret: in the long run, people really don’t care.

          • Jason Mounce

            I do not agree. Me calling them names is to denounce them, to show them I have no respect and as such I also use the derogative name to define, and label them with what they match in my eyes – so I can inform them what it is I perceive them. Sony Drones/Fanboys, Xbox drones/Xbots or Nintendo Fanboys/Nintenyearolds. Age is completely irrelevant to ‘labels’ and is an old and flawed cliche used to potentially invalidate a mere difference of perception on how one interprets words. I use Whatever word justifies or defines the situation or person I’m with whether negative/positive or neutral.

            I preferred the days of the argument that ‘PS1 was bad cause slow loading, No! N64 is better because Mario and fast loading! Oh yeah? FF7!” lol. That was how arguments were back then for me, it was better and more fun because ‘Fans’ spoke truth, they had Different opinions that could not generally be denied, and I remember those arguments whilst I was a kid to other kids who were like, 6-9 years old at the time, and none of the revolted to being as idiotic as most of the fanboys do THESE days. Fanboys these days turn into Dead Sheep and go Full-retard. I have no respect for them as such. To the latter question. Just because you’re Presuming ‘Importance’ doesn’t mean that you’re not shoving words in my mouth, your simply presuming it has to be weighed with the flawed argument of A or B treatment. It’s not whether its important or not important, it is an indifferent scenario, I type fast, and I like to analyze things and think of ways in which to resolve problems, each problem I run into, I wish to learn from. Learning from mistakes or flaws seen in others or self is what I enjoy doing since, no one else does and it shows me the result that most that are afraid to confront the fears of their own stupor and ignorant, remain in ignorance. While I’m aware of everything I’m doing and regret nothing, but know that I’m not turning into a Dead sheep and going full-retard in the process.

            I’d disagree, but follow through with: It’s not that people care, people are just quick to forget. Which is due to individual ignorance AND/OR Human ignorance itself – for better or for worse.

          • Mark LaVerne

            Situation: People being excited for the new Bayonetta. Your move? Putting people “in their right place”. Still wondering what you think you might acheive with this, but it appears this is a dead end. Good day.

          • Jason Mounce

            I’m not putting people down for any likeness or enjoyment of Bayonetta. Again, the original point was me saying “It won’t sell a lot”. That’s it. That’s All. I’m not sure what lines are being blurred through which you’ve become as confused as you are of the whole ordeal. That I bet any money the game, no matter if good or otherwise, will just be something that likely doesn’t even sell enough to cover development costs.

            All will be a deadend until Stats/launch/6-months-after prove me right -or- wrong.

          • mlvielh

            Resident Evil 4 sold nearly 2 million each for both Gamecube and Wii.

          • Chrischi

            Man, you speak of normal human beings, like you are one. Normal is defined by, what the majority does, the majority doesnt cry the whole comments section. You really are the worst kind of hater, you shout out words like fact, common sense, logic and normal human, but non of these actually are things, that seem to fit to you. No normal person would hate and cry and insult everyone in the comments section, get mental help.

          • TalesOfBS

            Are you so dumb you haven’t even noticed that your profile shows all of your sony asslicking and xbox one/wiiu hating comments over various news?

          • Jason Mounce

            You’ve proven to me that I should treat you like an infant and that I should thus babytalk down to you.

            Dus the wittle Talseywalsey need his ittybitty bibby-wibby? Aww arentchu teh cutest thing everr~ Yesh you are~! 😀

            ….Lol. Asslicking.

          • Chrischi

            Unbelieveable, you just cannot stop it. Funny how everything you say, doesnt fit to yourself.

          • Rodrigo Coelho Costa Junior

            lol, I’m yet to see a response comming from you where you don’t put yourself above everyone else calling them infants or dumb, or fanboys or without common sense… hahahah you truly can’t see yourself straight

          • Jason Mounce

            So because my posts make you feel insecure and make you envision me as being ‘above’ others. You for some reason cannot take said-person seriously?

            Son, this is a question then about how you can’t see yourself because you can’t even envision yourself being equals with someone, instead, you look UP to people, get upset, then demand that they come down to Your level. You put yourself down to a level that is lower than those of which you perceive others.

            Hence? I see myself and the issues around me fine. You seem to have inner turmoil that does not warrant your clouded sense of judgement. I see things crystal clear, you should look in the mirror. I call people as I see them. Take care little one.

          • Rodrigo Coelho Costa Junior

            hahaha I knew your response would be a perfect example of what I had just said..
            I say you keep thinking that you are better than others and you respond as if I was feeling insecure and envisioning you as bigger than others. LoL, it was the exact opposite.

            You either need some interpretations classes or a psychologist. If you want to get better, that is.
            But since everyone is wrong and you are the only one right, you clearly don’t need any of that, right?

          • Jason Mounce

            Whatever presumptions make you sleep better at night.

            Am sure no matter what I say you’ll be jumping on a deluded Hate-wagon so as to push your own agenda of being an insecure child.

            Your perception of me will never change, no matter what I say, or what I try to do to persuade you otherwise, you are SET to likely perceive me as you are no matter what. Which is why I don’t bother with you, you give me the feeling that you’re one of those stuck-up kids who stick with what their First Impressions so greatly that they stubbornly will never change and will warp the reality around them to fixate and justify their ignorance.

            I know you better than you likely know yourself. I don’t need to be arrogant to know the potential variables of what makes you, in all likeliness, a douche, or a tryhard-troll. That is why I won’t respond to you after this post and will simply delete the remaining notifications I get that shows your hideously ugly mug on your avatar. I know that if I were to continue with the quality if posts you’re offering me? I’d simply be getting dragged to ‘Your’ level.

          • Rodrigo Coelho Costa Junior

            Jason my friend, my perception was changing when I thought you were giving your opinion about my perception without trying to make me inferior or you superior.. I was actually going to respond cogratulating you… until

            you said this:
            “I know you better than you likely know yourself.” “I don’t need to be arrogant to know the potential variables of what makes you, in all likeliness, a douche, or a tryhard-troll.”
            Do you seriously not see your own contradictions?

            You know me for 5 minutes over the internet. don’t you think it’s a bit arrogant to think that you might know me better than I know myself? hahaha

          • Chrischi

            If you mean yourself, then the second one.

          • Ronny Andersen

            Go away sony/xbox/whatever fanboy idiot. We have no time for you child.

          • Clumsyman

            Stop crying Nintendork. (I love Nintendo and Sony equally both have something I like and dislike. This post is meant for you to just shut up and stop calling people names. Can we ever live in a world where people stop with the “console war”? They both have advantages and disadvantages, pick one [obviously know which one you and the people who thumbed you up picked] and don’t complain about the other.)

          • Adam Dalgleish

            While I agree with a lot of your post regarding who buys what kind of games on which system I do wish you would appropriately argue your points. For starters this argument that you put forward:

            3rd party games do not sell on Nintendo consoles

            Bayonetta 2 is a third party game


            Bayonetta will fail on a Nintendo console

            Is not ‘logical’ it is fallacious. A Hasty Generalization fallacy to be precise, just because other 3rd party games have failed on Nintendo consoles in the past does not mean this one will. Granted you are probably right, but I also do not accept the first premise. One only has to casually glance over at the 3ds to see that 3rd party games can be successful on a Nintendo console. With your first premise weakened the rest of your argument is weak.

            If you are going to berate everyone else in the comment section for being unintelligent at least make your argument succinct and quit using the term ‘logical’ to describe your arguments unless you actually check them first.

            To clarify, I do not even think you are wrong. But people who throw around the word ‘logical’ without any regard for actually being logical erk me.

          • Jason Mounce

            Tis hasty, but it’s also realistic.

          • Chrischi

            lol, just lol. Someone is really crying over this game^^

          • Jason Mounce

            Yes, I’m totally crying for a game I don’t care for and a game I likely won’t buy and a game I never even whined for it to go to any other platform. A game that I honestly don’t care what happens to it. The game means nothing to me because I never cared for the series. Your perception clearly isn’t flawed at all where you think a game can upset someone based on the fact that he’s saying ‘The game won’t sell’ this means he’s Totally crying about it.

            Coming from a person who’s literally whined, responded, cried and attacked every single conceivable post on this web page. You seem upset if you feel obligated enough to have to address and to respond with absolute retardation to every single post with absolutely no grounds beyond. In summary, your posts seem to be: “lawl u cryin cuz u talkin bad bout game u want game cuz u cant have it lawl hue hue im troll noaw rite gaiz?”

            I can’t take stupid people like you who’re attention wh*res seriously.

          • Chrischi


            So, you wrote like a whole book in this comments section, because you do not care^^ You are obviously the attention wh*re here, not me^^ You want ground for that? Look at like the 5000 pages you wrote in this articles comments section. All you said, had also no ground at all, like I said, you use words, like logic, but there is non in your comments, you only insult people. And again, for not caring you get really really angry here, that is actually not a normal sign for not caring ^^

            Then again, your fail in your comment above, that you actually think I would care for you taking me serious^^ Really, I guess not a single person on here read all you wrote or takes YOU serious, so lol xD

          • trurl

            “There is no peer pressuring for fans of the series to buy a whole new console aka the Wii U”

            Without Nintendo this game would not be produced at all. Sony&Microsoft refused to fund the game. So where is your point?

          • Jason Mounce

            That wasn’t the point, I know Nintendo funded it.

            My point was saying those who like the series may not be Nintendo fans and as such, it should not be used against Bayonetta fans for not thinking that its ENOUGH to buy a Wii U ‘JUST’ for Bayonetta 2. Action-platformer fans are more or less on Sony/Microsoft or PC platforms. As I described Genre-demographic. People who buy Wii U, consequently, are more likely to buy it for games that just aren’t related to Bayonetta 2 and I simply told the other person that Bayonetta fans shouldn’t be attacked if they consciously decide that Wii U is not worth their money so they can play their sequel. Nintendo consumers buy Nintendo hardware to play Nintendo software. This is how its always been and this stereotype is on-going.

            My point at the end of the day is, Bayonetta 2 will likely be a great game. However, the decision and fate of which Bayonetta 2 only exists because of Nintendo and as such it’s on Wii U only. It makes me believe that its fate realistically will be similar to that of Gamecube third-party games. I own many great Gamecube games, that simply never sold. As such it became Hidden Gems of that generation due to Limited sales, Limited hype, limited success.

            Examples. Okami sold MORE on PS3 than it did on Wii.

            RE4 sold MORE on PS2 than it did Gamecube. It infact sold poorly enough where Capcom broke out of their exclusive deal with Nintendo (Of making RE0, RE Remake and RE4 on Gamecube) and ported RE4 on PS2 which then garnered MORE sales and more acclaim than what it did on Gamecube.

            This is exactly whats happening now and this is what I’m stating is what I believe. History and easily-accessible archival research proves that I am LIKELY going to be correct.

            The fanboys simply, cannot handle it.

          • MagicMushroom

            LOL You’re really desperate to play this game.

            If instead of going on a rampage and attacking Nintendo fans, you could have actually read the article and see that Platinum stated it’s NINTENDO’S decision. What you failed to realize is you are the exact type of person this developer was talking about, therefore proving his point.

            Good job exposing yourself.

          • Jason Mounce

            “LOL You’re really desperate to play this game.”….


            You’re trying too hard, your amateur troll-skills are obvious. However, my reaction to your first sentence still stands within this image:

          • MagicMushroom

            Coming from the guy bashing the Wii U and defending Sony on a NINTENDO website.

          • Jason Mounce

            You’re desperate for attention. I’m not even ‘defending’ anything, or Sony. All any of my posts would say is that “I bought a PS4 to play MGS5”. The rest are Nintenyearolds flaming me for saying that alone.

            Which leads to the obvious reality that only the Nintendo fanboys are getting up in arms defensively and in insecurity. Sony doesn’t need to be defended anyways, nor by me. Sony is doing well with sales (Except for Vita, lol).

            Either way, quit trying to troll if you can’t do it right. If you’re not trolling, then stop being stupid or stop fabricating fallacies when ‘What really happened’ is still evident on this exact web page.

            I say ‘Analysis and logic’ . Nintenyearolds claim I used the word ‘Fact’.

            I say I bought a PS4 . Nintenyearolds claim that I’m ‘Defending Sony’

            I’m sure I’m also clumped as a ‘Sony Fanboy’ just for saying ‘I have a PS4’ this is how ridiculous an idiotic you sound and all the other Nintendo fans do. Whether on a Nintendo site or ANYWHERE ELSE on the internet.

          • MagicMushroom

            Yeah, because bashing something on a website dedicated to it totally isn’t trying to ruffle any feathers AT ALL.

            Let’s play your game then. How about I go to a Sony website and say “PS4 haz no gaems” and let’s see how long before I get banned/called a troll.

            Lol you’ve stated you’re only buying a Wii U when its dead and gone. That means you have little to no interest in it, and you’re here to bash it while say “PS4 iz butter”. If you expect to do all this without someone attacking you/calling you a troll, then you’re delusional.

            Also I don’t see why you’re playing the victim when you basically set yourself up for this. “Oh no, the big meanie nintendrones are hurting me, I did not know there would be so many on a Nintendo fansite”.

            Kids these days.

          • Jason Mounce

            I don’t recall ever playing a victim. I’ve destroyed all of the petty little fanboys here to the point where it seems you’re one of the last ones that are continuing to drivel, whine and cry towards me.

            PS4 is butter? Interesting.

            Lol, Playing victim. ‘Set myself up’ Alrighty there kiddo. Your antics and immaturity reek, your stupidity is horrendously obvious and you offer no challenge to me. I have no need to play a ‘victimized’ card when dealing with children. Handling you is like bringing a bib and bottle to a little baby as I wipe your messy chins. ‘Chins’ because I’m also sure you’re a fat basement dweller rather than a healthy, societally-accepted individual.

            Now if you excuse me, I’m done entertaining your retardation and pampering your behind. You really offer Zero intelligence to any discussion when all you can do is fling feces around like a deranged monkey.

          • MagicMushroom

            This post is the definition of irony. I’m not the one who went on a rampage and had to post paragraph after paragraph of “Wii U’s dead, Bayonetta doomed”, and other drivel.

            If anyone is whining, it’s you.

            Also you seem to have a liking to little children…

          • trurl

            > RE4 sold more …

            RE4 sold about 3.6 millions on PS2 and 1.7 millions on Gamecube. It sold more on PS2 because it was a highly anticipated blockbuster game. Everyone wanted it back then and the PS2 was the absolute sales king of its generation. By the way, the late Port of RE4 sold another 2.2 Millions on Wii. The ports for PS3/Xbox360 sold very poorly.

            > Okami sold MORE on PS3 than it did on Wii.

            What are you talking about? At first Okami sold poorly on PS2, only 600.000.

            Than there were late ports for Wii and PS3. It sold 150.000 on PS3 and 550.000 on Wii. Even as late port it sold very poorly on PS3. But the Wii version sold almost as good as the PS2 version. Obviously many gamers who are interested in these type of games has not been interested on PS2. If Capcom made this game for Wii alone it had been a great success, because they saved the money for the PS2/3-ports and it had sold more on Wii.

            Okami was a special game, not a blockbuster. And the market for such special games has always been big on Nintendo consoles. I think that you are agree that Bayonetta is as special kind of game too. Bayonetta sold poorly on PS3 and Xbox360 and most of its sales happened after the price dropped drastically.

            The poor sales was the reason Sega canceled Bayonetta 2. Nintendo decided to fund the project (after MS and Sony refused).

            Perhaps Bayonetta 2 will be a flop on Wii U. But Bayo1 already has been a flop on PS360. A port of the second game to this consoles or to PS4/ONE would be a waste money, because obviously not many gamer who enjoy these consoles enjoy games like Bayo1.

            But perhaps there are enough gamer on Wii U who will enjoy Bayo2 to make it a success? And if not Bayo2 will be another flop.

          • Jason Mounce

            I’d not disagree with you. That and I originally think I recalled Okami on WII first then PS2 if I had said that in prior posts. Was wrong on that if so.

            But yes. It didn’t sell too well on PS360 either way, but I don’t think there are enough gamers on Wii U in total to validate a potential fan or userbase for this game, that is what my thoughts are and will remain until proven wrong course. I just see it being a flop or hidden gem. Many who play Bayonetta are either people who like it since its like DMC and not broken or crappy like DMC4 or the DMC Reboot – or they dislike it for their own various means. I wish Platinum the best of success, truly, Vanquish and ‘MGR’ are decent games in their own right. They have a unique talent at doing what they do, not in a Blockbuster sense but, something that enables them to do their own ‘Thang’ as people like Kojima do their own thang with sneaking games and MGS with stealth action.

          • Douglas Siano

            CoD failed on WiiU because Activision would not give it DLC.


        Well I preordered already troll !!!

        • Jason Mounce

          Congrats, you’ll be the rare few who do infact buy it. Don’t let it get to your head. Just because people don’t think the way you think and choose to think logically doesn’t make them a troll.

          Buy what games you want, it doesn’t disprove anything I said in any single way. ‘You’ do not speak on behalf of millions of people.

          • Your predictions are not unassailable. They’re your opinions and just guesses. You don’t “speak on behalf of millions” either.

          • Jason Mounce

            Since when does Analysis become ‘Guessing’? Since when do logically-crafted predictions become ‘Opinions’?

            Since when does irrefutably labelling a reasonably-crafted analysis as an ‘opinion’ disregard all logic that was used?

            I’ll give you the answer – it Doesn’t. My point remains valid until proven wrong and someone of your wit cannot counter it because the only way you’ll be able to is with statistical facts that contradict and prove me wrong. It’s an ANALYSIS, it’s a hypothesis, it is a logically constructed theory. They are meant to be countered by EQUALLY-RATIONALIZED EVIDENCE /OR/ Something that disproves and invalidates it by equally-sound logic that is against it (which is something that isn’t opinion or emotive-based, mind you)

            All you’ve done is whine and throw your opinion at me and label what I said as an opinion when it isn’t one. Your mere Opinion doesn’t disprove it, nor do you hold any capability of disproving it in your current cognitive abilities.

            Come back when you have Sales numbers to prove my THEORY and ANALYSIS wrong.

          • A theory’s a guess, broham. This is not analysis; it sounds more like butthurt. I’m pretty sure you won’t find the word “doomed” in most analytical reports.

          • Jason Mounce

            I’ve seen plenty of doom-articles regarding Wii U, aka, the Hardware. Software? Not really as existent.

            A theory is a scientific, or logical question that starts as a Question whilst seeking an answer down the road – only to be scrapped when something can invalidate it. A ‘Guess’ is a whimsical, random, potentially irrational and spontaneous assumption that does not need any foundation to back it up.

            As such, I’m still comically waiting for someone who can do more but whine and cry at me. You have done nothing to prove me wrong. Only cried and whined at me. Nor do I have any reason to be butthurt, I’m not the one who’s wasting my money on a Wii U and has to defensively justify my reasoning for buying it or this game. I’m stating something that seems to make you and the other fanboys upset, if this were untrue, you’d not be getting as defensive and upset as you are over ‘Someone elses opinion’. You’re upset and are being defensive because you know I’m not taking your side and because I’m a radical speaker – Bravo. Me saving $60 and me saving $350 by Not buying Bayonetta or Wii U cannot make me butthurt, but telling a Nintendo fanboy that their system or a game they look forward to won’t sell well surely rustles a lot of jimmies.

          • Opinion pieces, once again, aren’t facts. Posting a prediction online doesn’t make it true. I’m not whining. I’m curious.

            Am I right in assuming you’re a fan of Bayonetta? If so, what do you have to gain from its sequel’s commercial failure? Worst case scenario: Bayonetta 2 sells zero copies and Bayonetta 3 never happens. Best case scenario, what, Bayonetta 2 is such a big hit Platinum puts it on everything from iOS to Xbone? Thirty sequels and a movie?

            As it stands, Nintendo’s paying to make the game, so what do you have to gain from it failing to sell?

            Or is your best case scenario Nintendo fails so hard that it sells its games division to Sony or MS and they bother to publish Bayonetta 2 on their system? Seems a bit sadistic. Is that what you want?

          • Anon1234123456

            Clearly you got irked by Gentle Robot’s opposition lol He just wrote two lines and it lead you to write a full block of recurring and redundant points and arguments.. and to top it all off, you even struggled to put together sentences that are, so to say, “grammatically-advanced.”

            The thing is, you haven’t actually said any facts at all. Yours are all speculations. Your entire argument can’t even be considered as hypothesis contrary to what you’re trying to claim lol Where are your facts? Do you have statistical data to prove your claims? Don’t let it get to your head mate. You don’t speak on behalf of the millions of people out there when it comes to their opinions on Nintendo and its ecosystem. I admire the perfectly coherent and grammatically superior structure to your arguments but the truth is, you just sounded redundant and ended up saying nothing at all but baseless speculations. As I said, post your real life statistical information regarding the present condition of Nintendo’s ecosystem and I’ll whole-heartedly accept your speculations to be the truth. Until then and good luck.

          • Jason Mounce

            I get irked by stupidity, that’s basically it. I can write a full block because I can type fast and because I can. My apologize if a ‘block’ makes you struggle. Also, I didn’t realize I was writing an official essay for you, Prof. I’ll make sure to type much more advanced ‘blocks’ of essays for you to ensure you don’t get upset over the internet.

            I never claimed that I’m stating Facts, I infact have never even used the word ‘Facts’ except Once in my larger comment down below regarding a semi-different subject.

            Consider this your first Lost Point in your malleable and flawed counter-response.

            I labelled all of my posts as an Analysis, a Theory, Hypothesis, I posted logic that describes and analyses Nintendos history with third-party sales numbers which are Statistically, Factually in my arguments favor, and not in yours.

            I stopped reading the rest of your nonsensical jibberish since all I saw was it was constructed as a means of being more emotional and was made to be provocative more than it was made to actually be intelligent because it lacks any form of intelligent, your post in summary is a rant about how you can’t disprove me and how you’ve misread my posts but you felt angry enough to want to tell me how bitter and upset I make you feel. Suck it up sunshine, if you actually NEED evidence plastered in your face to make you aware about how Wii U’s third-party support is crippled – you frankly live under a rock. Wii and Wii U had crappy Third-party support because majority of developers grew tired of bombed-sales, they’d port games from PS3 and 360 to Wii U to support it only to see that no one bought it and it didn’t help bolster Wii U sales. This isn’t speculation, this isn’t rumor. This is FACT. This is the topic and 3-6-9-12 months of Nintendo-history that is everywhere on the internet, Google is right there, use it and stop crying to me like the rest who’ve so far responded to me.

          • Anon1234123456

            Wow you really have superiority tendencies huh? lol Do you get a kick out of having the illusion of winning arguments over your subjects of interest? You still haven’t proven anything that is factual by the way. If only you spent more time in gathering the evidence behind your claims then I would’ve admitted that I have undoubtedly spouted some “nonsensical jibberish” lol .. as I said, till then 🙂

          • Jason Mounce

            Look in the mirror regarding the first-half of your post. Also, read my other post I sent you as it’s my primary one prior to leaving 🙂

            You also gotta stop telling people they spouted facts when their posts never even once used the word ‘Fact’. Only you. Thus, all you’ve done is shove words in my mouth and make an argument based on your problems with dyslexia. Grats. My ‘Theories’ and Analysis aren’t facts, nor did I ever claim them to be. Get your facts straight kid.

            Other than that, ciao!

          • Anon1234123456

            Wow Mr. Jason has cooled down a bit huh? lol Of course you didn’t present any facts. I was merely pointing out your way of expressing your views as if they’re legitimately factual. You counter other people’s opinions using your own and you claim yours to be analytically superior which is laughable because you still haven’t presented any factual basis which may support your “superior” claims.. If only you can present them here then I guess we can call it a day.. in your favor of course. But until then, you’re just the same as the rest of us here in the comments section.. spouting nothing but opinions and nothing more 🙂

          • Chrischi

            Flawed counter response^^ like it is a war out there^^

          • Jason Mounce

            I’ll leave my posts here for your desperate fanboys to absorb as I get back to more important matters. Try to suck it up and do it properly and remember to stop crying wolf.

            Lastly, you’ll never be able to persuade people if all you can do is insult others individually and think that you can tell someone they’re wrong ‘Because you say so’. I stated a theory/analysis and used rationality. You, as other butthurt fanboys have also done, is come to me and go: “You’re wrong because your opinions are stupid and thats not fact because it sounds wrong and I don’t believe you because you’re dumb and you’re a troll, thus your argument is moot so I just proved your wrong”

            This is why I’m not going to sit here and take you seriously. I know there isn’t archival research you can do to disprove me. I know you can’t disprove me with facts or statistics and I know you can’t do anything but whine and post troll-like responses where you’ll question the validity of my post my targeting mere grammar or spelling mistakes as a means to justify your Weak argument.

            I’ll say it one last time. The only way for any of my posts to be Wrong. Is for Bayonetta 2 to be released and for sales to be great and for many people to buy Wii U just to play Bayonetta 2. So, by all means. I will NOT stop you from bookmarking this, and from returning here when it launches and telling me how I’m wrong WHEN – You have the evidence of SALES that can prove me wrong and make me bite my tongue. As such? All of your posts, all of everyones posts are a redundancy of whiners and butthurt fanboys who can’t handle the truth of what easily may be what happens.

            Grow up please.

          • Anon1234123456

            Hi Mr. nothing-but-opinions-and-speculations! How are you? We have yet to see the factual basis for your opinions, speculations and financial forecasting regarding Nintendo’s state 🙂

          • smashbrolink

            All of your so-called “analysis” ignores the fact that this game is obviously getting upgrades to the gameplay on top of receiving much more press than its predecessor, on top of going to a market of gamers that are starved for mature action games like this.
            On top of that, they’re not the same crowd that basically ignored the original game, so the chances of it selling better are actually a lot better than your analysis is making it out to be.
            Over 6M now own a Wii U and a vast majority of those owners know about the game and are glad its coming.
            Your analysis is half-assed and you’re arrogantly assuming that your word is law instead of opinion when it just ISN’T.

            You’d be smart to step off your high horse before something knocks you off it forcefully.

          • Jason Mounce

            While I do hope the Upgrades are enough. I will believe that it’s more realistic to believe that even with upgrades of such kinds – it will be futile just as much as Batman: Arkham City w/ Upgrades was moot.

            An audience that’s starved for Mature rated games? I’m sure there are a bunch out there and that this is true. However, the problem with this is your belief that these numbers are a majority when infact, the people that are desiring for mature games are a Minority. Gamecube was the same wherein it had a great deal of Mature-rated games, that of which I own, truly do. As I bought a Gamecube later in its years specifically just to have a handful of the ‘hidden gems’ that were on it. However, they didn’t sell. Wii’s exclusives that were mature didn’t sell either. No More Heroes? How about MAD WORLD? What if I told you I played them? What if I told you sales for both of them sucked and the same went for most if not all other ‘Mature games’ on Nintendos hardware? Don’t believe me? Do the research. Mature games on Nintendos console just don’t sell if its not made by Nintendo directly….this is how it will be until Nintendo fixes this stereotype.

            If you want to call it arrogance, do with that as you will. It won’t change that Nintendos own history proves you wrong time and time again. Mature-games and Nintendo hardware have never mixed with ‘successful sales’. Majority of ‘Mature games’ on both Gamecube, Wii, and Wii U will altogether have the same fate.

            Don’t insinuate I even need to be on a High-horse to show you the door. Now don’t let it smack your rear on the way out. You’re delusional to believe Mature games will sell and that 6 Million Wii U owners will even give a rats a** of this game. Those 6M are waiting for Zelda/Metroid/Mario/Pokemon/Kirby/SSMB games. Nothing else. Period.

          • Chrischi

            You are a sad man… you can only have fun with a game, if it has high enough sales… you are no gamer, for sure.

          • Chrischi

            From which abstract world does your logic come from, I wonder, definitely not earth.

        • Clumsyman

          Hope you enjoy the game. 🙂
          (This isn’t a mean comment incase you are wondering, just being nice).

      • MagicMushroom

        Tell that to the millions of PS3 and 360 owners who didn’t buy certain third party games and caused multiple studios to close down.


        • Jason Mounce

          Only a few unfortunate studios went down. Of the handful that deserve to be mentioned or remembered, they shall be missed.

          More or less, the only one that comes to mind is THQ. 🙁 R.I.P. However, it was due to their mistake with that uDraw GameTablet for the most part. I’ve lived long enough to see greater developers go down….Acclaim….Rare…Sierra….Blizzard North….Westwood Studios :(….Midway….

          • SecretX

            Rare is still around, MS ruin them.

          • Jason Mounce

            I know they’re still around (technically) but….the staff that made it great are clearly not there anymore, they moved on. All Rare is doing is making Kinect avatar clothing and whatnot -_-… lol

            So, I consider them Dead.

          • SecretX

            yeah MS ruin them.

          • D2K

            Supposedly Rare is working on a game for the XB1. I doubt it will be anything anyone wants though.

      • SecretX

        well even the ps4 and xbone games aren’t selling well either. and xbone is gonna lose more sells since it doesn’t have exclusives and even titanfall isn’t exclusive.

        • Jason Mounce

          Indeed. I’m not gonna boast fallacies as if PS4’s current library is doing ‘teh best’. It’s doing better than PS3’s software comedic stereotype wherein Sony fans barely bought their own exclusives to a good degree (Just not as bad as Nintendo fans and their comedic stereotype that I keep mentioning). Which brought about some of Sony’s studios closing down because of lack of sales during last-gen.

          PS4’s sales will pick up though as more games are revealed. It did take N64 around a Year before great games came out. When I remember getting N64 at launch, we only had Mario 64 and Skydivers 64 to satiate our 3D-craze until 007 came out or the like, but that was over a year or so after launch. All Nintendo fans have to keep this history in mind. Drought on console launches do happen to every system for the first Year. After that? It’s their own fault if sales are bad. Wii U passed the year mark and didn’t get any boosts and refuse to do a price drop as they refuse to repeat what they did to get 3DS selling (As it got a 35-40% Price slash) Most Nintendo fanboys seem to forget that 3DS was doing horrible ONLY UNTIL they slashed the price of it….

          Either way. I’m patient. I’ll wait for PS4 to get games, as I’ll wait for all other platforms to get games.

          • SecretX

            you are using nintendo console history for the ps4? lol, and the wii u did had a price drop but 3ds sold better because it also got free games and MK7 was already coming out.

            Either way. I’m patient. I’ll wait for wii u to get games, as i’ll wait for all other platforms to get games.

          • Jason Mounce

            Yes, why? N64 and PS4 are similar for a reason, they’re both consoles, no? 😛 Whether made by Sony or Nintendo doesn’t matter in that comparison was all I was trying to exemplify. N64 was a great system – but its launch was forgotten that it did have a mighty long drought, but what do we remember about N64? That it was a great system and ‘had’ great games. How long did we wait til the games arrived? We don’t remember the wait, because the ‘great games that came anyways’ replaced the memories of the days that we waited for new software after launch. Same reasoning can be applied to PS4.

            Wii U somewhat got a $50 price cut in Sept 2013 from $350 to $300. It’s safe to say that if Wii U was $350 and PS4 launched at $400….Wii U would have even lower sales because people would be trying to justify how Wii U is only $50 cheaper than the PS4, Nintendo cutting the price at least by $50 made it a $100 difference so it’s $100 > $100 > $100 between Wii U > PS4 > X1. More of a Marketing tactic to create a better appeal. Just it unfortunately didn’t do much at all, wasn’t as big of a slash as 3DS which went from $250 to $170.

            But yes, patience awards all ‘Gamers’. (Not fanboys). 😀

          • SecretX

            who cares about all that since like they say nintendo has way too much money. they are allowed to lose some of their money. and they just hire more people 😛

            while sony lost money and did lay offs to the god of war studio.

            either way whatever. i’m just happy my wii u is getting bayonetta 2.

          • sonicfan1373

            I have read some of your posts here and in all honesty I do not understand what you are trying to achieve by coming to a fan community which is completely different from your own tastes and calling people “Ninteyearolds” and talking down to them because they happen to share different views on the prospect of a console they like and own and then getting defensive about the response you get.

            In all honesty, if you go to any other fan site (Apple, Samsung, Playstation, Xbox, Mini Cooper, Aston Martin, Democratic/Liberal, Republican/Conservative…basically anything) and you insult the people on these sites for supporting a product or value you do not like, you are going to get the same response. It is almost like going to another country and saying to them bluntly that “your country sucks and we are better”, you are bound to get a bad response and people are going to hold a negative none-credible image of you.

            Fan sites in general are like a safe territorial haven that backup people’s preferences and allow people to socialize with others who happen to share their preference (that is personally why I like visiting ones that accord to my preferences, like this one). A direct attack on these preferences is like an attack on the territory and people will retaliate against you which will cause you to reciprocate (in fan sites that is typically reduced to both sides calling each other names) or become reserved (based on these comments becoming reserved is not really your style, which is a good thing but can also have its downsides because your reciprocation means that you want to engage others on this site to get your point across which is great but the way in which you are doing it is not getting you results but you are not using another tactic).

            I am not saying that you should not share you opinion, you are welcome to do that, and there is this wonderful value that we enjoy in our countries (hopefully this right is enjoyed in your country as well) called right to freedom of speech. However, if you wish to use that right to change people’s minds or have them engage your point on critical level (especially on a fan-site where people who are visiting or are participating in it have solid values) you have to stop engaging in this level of highly subjective warfare and you have to be willing to accept that others hold their own subjective/logical values which are sometimes set in stone. If you want lasting change or people to engage you critically you have to try to engage them in an objective manner in order to eventually get them to the same objective level as you.

      • rafael

        Its not nescessarily true that this game wont sell…since it will not be available in other systens, it might sell reasonably on Wii U…Cod Ghost, for example, did not sell well on Wii U, but its available in so many other places that theres was no real reason to buy it on wii u, specially with the on line comunity being underdeveloped…but bayonetta 2 is a diferent case. We will have to wait and see.

        • Jason Mounce

          Disputable, and agreeable. I commend you for not jumping the gun and becoming hostile with me 😛

          Wherein I did argue COD Ghost on Wii U got poor sales, and it indeed was on other consoles so it didn’t justify buying a Wii U. It’s similar logic that I use as to why I personally don’t think Bayonetta 2 will sell. However! You are right in which ‘If you want it, its only on THIS system’ which is different from the example of the COD-comparison as you noted.

          Just, we have to measure and judge. How many people are going to praise and boast and spread the word of mouth to buy Bayonetta 2? I realistically don’t think many will do this and I gave my reasons why I believe this.

          However, the True conclusion to any of this dispute does still end at ‘We will have to wait and see’. Mine is simply cynical of its success in which I doubt it will do well. It is realistic, but it doesn’t mean I’ll be right. Just, there’s nothing anyone can say in which I can be told I’m wrong. I at least think that you see why, it is wrong to tell someone they’re wrong when they themselves have no evidence to support why they say I am wrong, when the game isn’t even out yet to back up their claims to say that what I say ‘has to be or will be wrong’. I’m just betting on the ‘It wont sell well’ has more of a chance of being right than the ‘it will sell pretty good’ has of being right 😛

        • Douglas Siano

          Nobody wanted CoD: Ghosts on WiiU because stupid activision showed they would not support it with DLC.

      • Chrischi

        What I read is, that you are one of those crybabies, who are angry about PG for not bringing Bayo2 to your plattform. It is exclusive, live with it, as we live with you getting your Third Party games. Unbelievable how ignorant some people can be. You sound like, you just dont want the Wii U getting any good games, what is your problem? You speak about logic, but where is your logic, there is non, you can only insult people, nothing else. Thinking outside the box^^ right, because if you did, then you would understand the simplest logic of, Nintendo paid for the game to be made, there would be no Bayo2 without Nintendo, Sony and MS didnt care for Bayo2, what is so hard to understand about that? And what is the big deal for PG, if it doesnt sell so well, they didnt fund it, if someone loses money, it is nintendo and PG got to make a sequel to their beloved franchise, shame on them^^

      • And whats the problem for it being a GameCube 2.0? I enjoyed NGC very much I didnt and I couldnt care less for third party support in Nintendo since I own a PC and third party support and indies rule over it, if the Wii U is going to be near as good as NGC or N64, then I am very happy to be Wii U owner.
        Besides, I get to play Bayonetta 2 & X =) so I dont see any issue.
        And to clarify I didnt mentioned in any way that other fanbases are scum (there is a huge difference between being a fanboy and a fan), I simply stated that they should stop crying for something that they know its not going to happen, and if they are not happy with it, move on or join the group. Easy. Simple. No tears & wounds.

      • trurl

        Some Nintendo fans will not buy the Wii U until their “Nintendo IP” will be released. This has been so since many console generations.

        Bayonetta 2 is not a Third-Party game. It is fully funded by Nintendo and therefore a Second-Party game.

        Bayonetta 1 sales on PS360 are low. In fact so bad that Sega canceled Bayo2 production. Sony & Microsoft didn’t wanted to fund this game. Happily Nintendo funded the game. Nintendo will not expect Bayonetta 2 to be a million seller. But it surely will attract some new gamers to Wii U.

        • D2K

          Well, I expect it to at least sell 1 million. Maybe not much more than 1.5 mil tops.

    • Steph

      Well said and I agree

    • Gary Ryckewaert

      Well said.


      Yes and stop crying guys it’s just simple as that. Take it or leave it !

      • Jason Mounce

        Maybe I should call you a troll here. Bra’.

        You shouldn’t derogatively tell people to ‘stop crying’ just to simply try to validate and justify your opinion as if it can come off as global truth. You cannot tell people to stop crying if you yourself are crying, specifically crying wolf.

        • TalesOfBS

          Stop crying.

          • Jason Mounce

            Coming from a potential Nintenyearold, that’s rich.

            Stop crying and go play the games on your Wii U— Oh wait…there is no games 😀 … Well, keep playing on Wii until the online features are removed, then go back to playing ‘ZombieU’, the only game on the console beyond another Mario platformer 😀 I’ll continue playing on my other platforms which infact have games. Ty.

          • Gamingfan

            Says there are no games on the Wii U and probably owns the PS4. The irony.

          • Jason Mounce

            I’ll make this quick. Yes, I do own a PS4, because I wanted to play MGS5 in HD rather than in 720p30FPS on 360 or PS3 as I am foremost an MGS fan.

            Wanna know the difference and flaw in your point?

            Wii U’s been out for 1.3 Years.
            PS4’s been out for 3.5-4 Months.

            PS4’s allowed to be in a drought of not-so-many-games.

            Wii U? Has no excuse.

          • Gamingfan

            You bought a PS4 to play a 2 hour glorified demo? Exposed.

          • Jason Mounce

            Beyond your horrible, horrible troll-attempt. I’ll state quick facts and see how you react.

            2 Hours was the time it took for Game Informer to beat the Main Campaign, in which afterwards they were only at a 7% Completion rate. Anyone who’s played Peacewalker knows that the game is about Exploration and finding the secret loot, recruiting on motherbase w/ micromanagement and playing the levels repeatedly to recruit and again, explore. Game Informer didn’t explore nor did they play the side-missions.

            Lastly. That’s Ground Zeroes on its own….MGS5 is Ground Zeroes AND Phantom Pain which will release later in 2014 or early 2015, which again, I bought for PS4 pre-emptively.

            If your response to this is going to be another lame and predictable one, save it. It’s not going to upset me when you force yourself to spew known fallacies.

          • Gamingfan

            All I read is damage control.

          • Jason Mounce

            Gee. This wasn’t a predictable response at all.

          • MagicMushroom

            Why is this kid defending Sony on a NINTENDO website?

          • Gamingfan

            He seems really insecure.

          • MagicMushroom

            Seems? He IS.

          • Gamingfan

            The Wii U isn’t in a drought.

          • MadCrain

            Hmm, PS4 is allowed a drought but when the Wii U was 4 months old and the drought began it’s failure and death was announced immediately, the only reason the PS4 is alive is because it’s selling like hotcakes thanks to the Sony Drones praising it as if it was a gaming PC, and it’s funny, you guys bought a $400 console for 2 games yet every good rated game that comes out on the Wii U gets the typical response of “I’m not buying an entire system for 1 game”, which means what the Producer of Platinum games said, it’s not the games, or the lack there of, it’s the simple a plain reason that you guys don’t want to buy a Wii U, you probably have the money, you probably like more than 5 games, but something in you rejects the very idea of buying a Nintendo system in this day and age, and that’s hilarious, and that whole Wii U has no games pitch is overused, it’s getting games every month or so, not to mention the eShop, and dude, if you want specs, get a PC, that’s what I like about Nintendo fans, they admit in having an underpowered system, but you Sony drones try to hide it, and just throw out price, which, news flash, you can get a stronger more efficient PC at $400, anyways, my point, you all make excuses for a system you don’t even want, for a game you weren’t even going to play, and for a company you don’t even like.

          • Jason Mounce

            Implying PS4 is only selling well because a small minority are ‘praising it’? Well damn, aren’t you a deluded and ignorant fool.

            Yeah. PS4 is selling out worldwide because everyone around the world listens to rabid fanboys, casuals, soccer moms, the Japanese, the Australian, the North Americans, the Europeans. It’s all thanks to the fans and not because PS4 is simply a well-priced piece of hardware.

            Yer totes rite bra’.

            The difference of ‘What is considered as dead’ between the two for One instance….is that PS4 is going to hit the 6 Million mark in 4 months and keep going. It’s selling at a faster rate than PS1 and PS2. It’s going to outsell the Wii U in 4 months times where Wii U has been out for 1 year and 4 months. 6 Million in 1.3 years is NOT. GOOD. No matter how you want to paint that image.

            I don’t need excuses. Your post is a summary of all excuses that Nintendo fanboys spout clumped up in one novel. I use facts, statistics and logic :/

            If you can’t see that the Wii U is in trouble, then frankly, you’re blind and naive and I have nothing more to say to you. PS4 will continue to sell whether it twists your knickers or doesn’t. Whether it does or not will not phase me, nor will I care how desperate or how affected you are because one hunk of plastic and metal sells better than the next hunk of plastic and metal. Software exists to sell the Hardware. Nintendo fans claim that Wii U has software and yet what software it has clearly isn’t selling the Hardware. Thus, it is a sitting duck in the ocean.

            and again. I buy Hardware because of the Software. I know MGS5 isn’t going on Wii U and even though I have a nice PC rig, I have no evidence to support MGS5 GZ or PP going on PC, thus? I bought a PS4 to play it instead of waiting for a chance of it being ported to PC.

            Continue living in fairy land where all your posts will be thumbed up by other desperate Nintendo fans. I’ll continue, actually playing games and not supporting a dead system. Wii sold like hotcakes and rode on the hype of its gimmicks and controls. People aren’t buying into Wii U and soccermoms have no reason to buy the upgrade that is Wii to Wii U, thus the majority of Wii’s consumers aren’t buying Wii U. Wii U will become another Gamecube, I’ll buy it when its dead, and buy its best hidden, underrated gems in a bargain bin.

            It’s why I have Eternal Darkness and a nice collection of Gamecube games, it’s why I have MGS Twin Snakes which is a GC exclusive. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Metroid Prime 1/2, Resident Evil Zero and the RE Remake, Pikmin 2 and Animal Crossing. The only exceptions being that I did own Windwaker and Twilight Princess on Gamecube, however, I sold both of them for freaking $50 EACH to some crazed fan who wanted them badly. So I no longer own those.

          • Chrischi

            Thats it, I am looking for an anger management program for you, I truly have never seen someone to trollish on the whole net, maybe we found the trollking.

          • ronin4life

            You bought a PS4 NOW to play MGS5 LATER, but will blast WiiU for having no games even though you want Bayo… which would be your “MGS5” for WiiU?

            This special logic is what MadCrain was referring to: This is all brand loyalty on a massive, almost brainwashing scale.

          • Jason Mounce

            Yes, I bought a PS4 now. Because it’s future-proofing.

            Go to Gamestop. Do you see X1’s? Yes. Do you see Wii U’s in stock? Yes.

            Do – You – See – PS4’s? No. You don’t.

            We’re at Month 4 and MGS5 GZ is going to be released in 2 weeks. Now, if I wanted PS4 to play GZ and Phantom Pain, what kind of luck do I have of buying a PS4 and Ground Zeroes/MGS5 IF THERE IS NO PS4’S IN STOCK FOR ME TO BUY?

            Thus? What’s the logical thing to do? You get it at launch so you don’t miss out on the chance that PS4 will be sold-out even at MGS5’s launch. I predicted PS4 would be sold out, and it STILL IS TO THIS DAY. I didn’t want to take the risk of wanting MGS5, but not having a PS4 and having to stick with 360 or PS3 visuals aka. MGS5 being set at 720p 30FPS. Whereas, MGS5 on PS4 is 1080p 60FPS.

            This, is logic. This isn’t ‘BRAND’ Logic, this is PURE Logic. It has nothing to do with brands, PS4 is the strongest platform underneath PC. PS4 is the only Platform that both has MGS5 and is also the strongest and cheaper than X1. Thus? Cmon, do I really need to break it down to an educational level that’d match Grade 5 for you? Do I honestly need to baby-talk to you or can you comprehend that I don’t need to have bias to know ‘I want MGS5, this is the best platform to get it on, = get the platform’. SOFTWARE SELLS HARDWARE. ‘SOFTWARE’ that sells the HARDWARE to ME = MGS Games just as for another example:

            Half-Life 3 would make many people want to build new PC rigs to be able to run it.

            Metroid Dread if it were finally made on 3DS, I’d buy a 3DS -JUST- for that one game. I bought a GBA when Metroid Fusion and Metroid Zero came out on it, was the only reason.

            I bought a 360 Arcade model for $100 JUST….to play Lost Odyssey.

            See where I’m going with this? I use LOGIC and SOFTWARE INTERESTS to allure me to buy the hardware. I plan ahead, I set goals and I define and decisively create an ideal objective on how I can get or play the Games that interest me.

            Wii U – Has minimal games and it’s been out for 1.3 to 1.4 years. AND. It has absolutely no games that I have interest in, it has no future games that I have interest in, the 4th SSMB does not interest me, and it’s also on 3DS. It does not warrant a Wii U purchase to me. What sold PS4 to me beyond great price and powerful hardware and a great controller was MGS5 – and it’s coming out 4 months after its launch. Wii U has nothing since its launch for the past 1.4 years. Thus? I will keep waiting, or wait until it’s dead or until Nintendo makes a new console or until the price validates the Games-over-Worth factors. Wii U has no worth to me because there are no games of interest to me, thus? It’d be Paperweight. Paperweight because no games interest me, overall there’s barely any games as is for many people to think Wii U is worth it and this is factual based on the fact that Wii U hasn’t sold a lot of units, which reinforces the time-and-time-again fact that Software pushes Hardware, Wii U doesn’t have enough or great quality software to validate Wii U purchases.

            If you cannot comprehend this logic, it isn’t a difference of opinion and it isn’t because I ‘must be’ some kind of illogical fool nor a troll. It’d be All on your own flaws and mental incapacity issues to be able to understand what I’m saying.

          • Blitz

            Dude. Jason. Why are you here? Nintendo’s sales aren’t going to affect your PS4. People get Nintendo systems because they enjoy first and second party Nintendo games. The PS4 has a smaller library of exclusives, but is currently the best home console for multiplats. I bought both because I like both. I don’t feel a loyalty to one or the other, I just wanted to play certain games. I’ll be goddamned if I’m going to miss the best version of MGS5, Batman: Arkham Knight, Monolith Soft’s X or Zelda Wii U.

            As for Microsoft, their exclusives aren’t as appealing to me and the console is more expensive than their more powerful competitor. So what did I do? I didn’t buy an Xbox One. Simple as that. I’m not going to go on an Xbox fan site and bash their user base. They bought the system they wanted and that has nothing do with me. I don’t care. I’m just glad enough people buy video games to breed such a diverse and competitive market.

            It’s obvious that you’re only here to upset people and get attention. I can’t help but feel there’s a way to occupy your time without causing a detriment to the lives of others. Try playing a video game.

          • Jason Mounce

            Just because I have a PS4 and not a Wii U at the moment. Doesn’t mean I’m disallowed from partaking in discussions that involve sales, the gaming industry, and hardware competitors and their health and stock and critically reflecting on business, marketing and tactical decisions that I may analyze or predict the outcome for – for ANY console or company. With that said and clarified, good on you for not taking sides or starting your post with hostility like a typical halfwit, those of which I seem to have run into a lot here.

            I don’t recall ever stating that I came HERE. To this SPECIFIC SITE to post my opinions. This site could be neogaf or IGN and it’d Still be the same. You think my posts reflect a deliberate means of positioning or as if I came here with that purpose in mind. Quite a presumptuous claim since that’d mean you’re claiming one of my initial motives without asking me first. This site is merely Coincidental, that it is a Nintendo-focused site. This site could be PSXtreme and my comments would not be altered, I’m commenting here as if this site is a ‘Game Oriented’ Site – answer me this, is this not a Game Oriented Site? What if I came here not even perceiving a ‘Difference’ between ‘fan bases’? That I came here treating everyone as a Collective. Which would be a truth since I didn’t Divide people out except for those that admittedly were BLATANTLY Biased and fanboys. Those who clearly aren’t and are just ‘Gamers’ or, Gamers who happen to prefer Nintendo, or, Gamers who just happen to be here. Clearly aren’t subjected to the same Justified labelling. 😛

            With Part 1 and Part 2 clarified and answered, since Part 3 of your post is a conclusion and summary-inquiry of Part 1 and 2 combined, I feel I don’t need to answer part 3 since it should be ‘broken’ and perhaps altered, if you bothered to read this post. I came here to speak my mind and speak my opinion on how I feel about Bayonetta 2, what I feel is the likeliness of it doing well. I shouldn’t have to Censor myself because of the chances that me speaking NON-POSITIVELY might rustle a bunch of insecure little babies and their jimmies. I do not censor myself as my topic of Bayonetta 2 IS – ON TOPIC. Me getting Flamed for speaking my opinion on how I feel the game is going to sell poorly due to the trending stereotype of 3rd party games and 3rd-party studio communication with Nintendo – is valid and I deemed Logical, in which the biased fanboy group disposed of it as fallacies and claimed me to have said that I was stating my perceived-logic as ‘Facts’ and using other slippery-slope like argumentative fallacies to appease their insecurities and low self-esteem/wounded ego.

            If I happen to Stir the jimmies of the insecure, the rabid fanboy, the halfwitted Faux-Gamer, I don’t believe I should care what they feel. They don’t control Free speech. I wanted to discuss a topic relating to the game as my priority, and bluntly state how I feel it’ll turn up. You and the masses just Clump me in an ignorant prejudgmental/predisposition that I am only here to Flame, thus, it’s alright to flame me under allegations? That is, pure ignorance and I hope you at least see that.

            I’ve been playing many games on Steam, and PS3/PS4. South Park, Warframe, Garry’s Mod, I completed Castlevania Mirror of Fate, the Lords of Shadow 1 DLC to 100% Platinum and then finished Lords of Shadow 2 – then – I plan on playing Dark Souls 2 on Tuesday/Wednesday as time permits amongst College life. Then, MGS5 GZ on the 18th.

            I Play games, and am a Gamer, I simply have a very outspoken, bold, and blunt means of speaking my mind – and it just ‘so happens’ to upset people who’re Biased, insecure or have inferiority complexes or are easily sensitive.

            Take care – I type this with no grudge or hostility towards you.

    • D2K

      The thread should have ended with this comment. Nothing else really needed to be said.

  • Nocturne

    think of this as kind of a punishment for you sony crybabys getting newer final fantasys

    and much more of this to come as nintendo has the money to fund 3 but sony does not

  • sonicfan1373

    A lot of people blame Nintendo for not having enough third-party exclusives. So Nintendo goes and pays for a few (lets face that is how you get third-party exclusives in this industry) the very same people attack Nintendo for getting these exclusives. I remember this happening with 007, Resident Evil, and more recently with Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, and Bayonetta 2.

    • Steph

      Spot on

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      Cept the only thing they payed for is Bayonetta 2. Lol.

      • sonicfan1373

        I do believe Nintendo also has an agreement in place with WB for Lego games and Batman games and the one Lego exclusive for Wii and 3DS (Lego City). They have also purchased the exclusivity rights for three Sonic games. There also appears to be a promotional deal in place with Activision for Skylanders (similar to the deal MS holds with them for COD). They also have an exclusivity agreement with Capcom for mainline Monster Hunter games. Nintendo is also a minority shareholder in Bandai Namco (much like Sony in minority owner in Square Enix) and so they have managed to get some exclusive games out of that (although both are Japanese and will probably never leave Japan). They also payed for W101 I believe.

        This year they appear to be changing their strategy, and now they are funding third-parties like Tecmo Koei and Bandai Namco to work on Nintendo’s own IPs with gameplay from other IPs.

        • ronin4life

          There is no way WB would charge for Lego games, and the Batman games are too under supported for there to have been any agreements there.

          That Sonic and the Olympic games is WiiU exclusive and a collab, as well as Sonic selling better on Nintendo points that Sega may have decided to work alongside Nintendo without any money changing hands. Once again, a lack of special support kind of dampers any Skylanders speculation.

          MonHun is the funnest one, since the reasons it could be Nintendo exclusive without cash out number any amount of money Nintendo could have paid for it. W101 was a collaboration that started out life as a Nintendo Cross-over Game.

          This year is no change in strategy, but a continuation of what they have been doing for ~3-4 years. Zelda Musou is nothing new: Just look at Pokemon Conquest.(same company even)

          Nintendo doesn’t buy out studios or software. There just isn’t hard proof they do that, and seeing how the last major such move treated them(GameCube 4) no one can blame them for realizing how shallow such deals really are in the long term. What they have decided to do instead is culture development by helping out “Partner” studios, similar to how they run their 2nd party devs.

          • sonicfan1373

            Good points, I somewhat forgot about previous partner games.

            Although I still do believe that Nintendo paid for third-party exclusives. Simply because that is how everyone does that including MS (TitanFall, ad agreement with Activision Blizzard for COD, Plants VS. Zombies) and Sony (Final Fantasy, ad agreement with EA in Europe and Rockstar for Grand Theft Auto V, and Yakuza). Most third-party devs and publishers are usually afraid of making big-budget exclusives for any particular platform unless they are absolutely sure they can break-even. Also, when I mean Nintendo paid for them I mean that Nintendo partially (or fully) funded the project, or took over publishing duties in certain regions, or paid for ads, or some combination of what I mentioned. I also believe Nintendo made many of these agreements before Wii U came out.

        • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

          W101 happens to be their own IP and they payed

          The other being legocity. They have a deal with Capcom where they provide game servers/marketing for the MH series. 3DS took care of the rest by selling like a beast.

    • ronin4life

      The 3rd party argument was never a criticism, but a blatant attack to hurt Nintendo’s image and reputation.

      Of course when they get games they would get blasted for it, as it devalues the influence of their bias argument.

      I also want to point out: DQ and MonHun have plenty of reasons to be exclusive outside of Buy-outs.

  • MusubiKazesaru

    The thing is I want Bayonetta 2 and I will get it, but I haven’t played the first game, it’d be nice if they ported it over


      Yes if they bring the first bayonetta game to the wii U ill buy it too 😉

      • Yeah that’d be cool

      • MusubiKazesaru

        Kamiya mentioned that they have enough time to do so before the release if they decide to, but I’m not sure it’ll happen

  • wiiu4life

    I think that Nintendo was smart to have gotten this IP if I were them I would look for other IP’S that sold well and are no longer made.

    • Exare

      Darksiders, I’d play that on a Nintendo System all day. Advent Rising, Crazt Taxi, and Tactics Ogre are a few more I feel would fit very well next to Bayonetta and really help bolster a third party presence.

  • Rodrigo Coelho Costa Junior

    Want to play Bayonetta 2? Buy a Wii U, it’s not even that expensive this time around.. and it has so many other classic and great games to play on it, I’m currently playing Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze and I’m right back to my childhood when games were simple, absolutely masterful in precise controls and level design and just pain hardcore! It’s a great game everyone will enjoy.. and at the end of the day you’ll get Mario Kart and smash among so many other great games.. And if all of that doesn’t appeal to you, just sell it, I’m sure that are a lot of Nintendo fans wanting to buy one for a cheaper price on ebay =)

    • MadCrain

      People act as if $300 dollars were the end of the world, yet they’ll gladly bend over for $400.

      • Rodrigo Coelho Costa Junior

        yeah.. and 400 with less games. Wii U is 300 and already comes with one or even two games depending on the deal you get.. My friend got a best buy deal on a wii u for 300 + mario and luigi u + Zombi U + 25 gift card… that was a steal!
        And most likely you won’t have to buy a lot of new controllers either, because you or at least one of yor friends surely has wiimotes. That makes the wii u even cheaper compared the other consoles that cost 400 or 500 and comes without games and with expensive controllers

        • MadCrain

          Yeah, it’s a super affordable machine with already a ton of amazing games, yet people go to the competition for the oh so pretty graphics, I don’t judge them, but just don’t go asking for a price drop for a machine you don’t want.

  • Sǯdi Sǻymeh

    when this game is released , ill pay a guy to lend me his console for a day , no need for WiiU …


      Pay me bro I have two of them actually 😉

      • Sǯdi Sǻymeh

        WTF dude , why U do this to yourself ? Oo , instead of having PS4 or X1 you have 2 WiiU’s -_- , WHHHHHHHHHY ?!?!?!

        • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

          They dont have any games worth playing right now( to him obviously). So why spend money on them at their priciest?

          • Sǯdi Sǻymeh

            lets see , X have ryse , titanfall and dead rising 3 , and upcoming games for 2014 are halo , quantom break , titanfall and the next forza game
            ps4 have killzone, and the upcoming games are the order , second son , deep down and final fantasy 14
            WiiU have (games i liked) mario 3D world , upcoming games project X and bayonetta (and after watching the gameplay of project X i didn’t like much)

          • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

            Ha you’re not gonna understand the gameplay if you didnt dig in deep into Xenoblade’s combat

            Its a mix of real time combat with turn based rpg sensibilities from series like Chrono Trigger

          • Sǯdi Sǻymeh

            ok ok lets say it is a really awesome game but when you compare the games on WiiU to other console there are no match bro …

          • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

            Nintendo’s consoles are host to some of the best games in the industry.

            From Nintendo AND Third parties.

            Companies who work with NIntendo tend to grow from within as well.

            Silicon Knights is a great example. They completely fell apart away from Nintendo’s watchful eye.

            Me personally I tend to buy a NIntendo console 6 months -2 years in and by the time Im done with them I’ve amassed a library with at least 75 titles in them.

          • You said titanfall twice

          • Sǯdi Sǻymeh

            the first one was mistake i meant it in the upcoming list

          • I was joking broham ;D

    • TalesOfBS

      Your mother will be mad once she finds out where you are spending your school money 🙂

      • Sǯdi Sǻymeh

        im 21 years old -_- . and if i was a kid i’d enjoy WiiU , cause most of its games are for 13 and less (except bayonetta) …

  • ecoutercavalier

    I really wish we could talk about the actual game for once. There’s nothing new to talk about in terms of exclusivity. People just need to get over it. Games moving from one system to another has been happening for ages.

    Can’t wait for the PlatinumGames blog to get going. The Wonderful 101 blog posts were amazing.

  • Darrius

    Bottom line, Platinum screwed up Bayonetta 1 so badly on PS3 that the franchise can’t recover from it. They should have made it first on PS3, the platform where God of War was selling 3 – 5 million instead of 360 where Ninja Gaiden was struggling to sell 1 million.

    • Perico Palotes

      Bottom line, the port wasn’t done by platinum games.
      But you are right, the game would have sold that aditional million earlier instead of having to wait 2 years to reach the 2 million mark at low price.

    • Michael Williams

      You know it doesn’t help that the ps3 was purposely designed to be hard program for.

  • Elmo

    I happy Bayonetta is coming out. Was I pissed when it was exclusive? Of
    course, luckily i was able to find one for $150 on ebay from someone so
    now Im ready for this, Smash, and X!

    One thing though, I really
    cant understand how Nintendo fans can condone anyone for the port
    begging of Bayonetta 2 and turn right around and complain 24/7 and port
    beg with 1,000 petitions about Kingdom Hearts 3 and how its a “slap in
    the face” and “stupid” that it wont come to the Wii U in addition to all
    the reasons it should be on the Wii U. Hypocritical much?

    • mikebrand83

      Is Kingdom Hearts 3 being exclusively funded by either Sony or Microsoft, after the franchise was basically abandoned by everyone else?

      No? Then it’s not comparable to Bayonetta 2, which Nintendo rescued from oblivion by funding it from their own pockets.

      • Elmo

        No matter what they reason your still port begging for something you know your not going to get. Nintendo says Bayonetta is exclusive? Fine. Square says all next gen excluding wii u? Fine. In other words they aren’t going to get it so they can’t sit here and complain. After all, a “true fan” will pony up the doe.

        • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

          It’s a third party’s job to make games people want to buy …

          Stuff like this isnt how you build a relationship with a consumer

          • D2K

            Don’t you love how in that article they try to make an excuse for the a small-install base being a factor of the game not coming to the Wii U?

            Instead of looking at the consoles individually, they put the numbers of the PS4 and XB1 together and say that they out number the Wii U sales?

            Development of this game started long before nary a PS4 or XB1 had touched a store shelf.

            The sad part is people this day and age are stupid enough to believe such drivel as they are pushing out.

    • This is the first I’ve heard of a Kingdom Hearts petition. There are one thousand of them?

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      Mostly because these guys dont actually port beg.

      Seriously there are the people who complained about DMC4 being ported to the damn Xbox. Same thing with Final Fantasy 13. and Various other games

    • ronin4life

      This is WIiU exclusive. Kingdom Hearts is NOT exclusive to anything, and as with others such titles there is no evidence that it can’t run on WiiU as well.

      There is no hypocrisy there at all.

  • SanDan

    People just need to grow up and buy a Wii U to play it. If they close their egos and open their eyes they will notice that there are other games they will appreciate on the Wii U.
    First world problems eh?

  • Steph

    If more people bought it on ps3 and xb360 maybe it would have came to their next gen consoles. Exclusives are good and it’s nice wiiU gets a great one.

    • SecretX

      good point.

  • WellWisher

    People still salty? Damn.

    • D2K

      It’s gonna get worse because I have a feeling Nintendo is going to do this again with something else.

  • henrik

    Bayonetta is a niche tittle along with W101, not really something I think is going to benefit Nintendo much

    • D2K

      I don’t think an action-adventure style hack-n-slash game can be considered “niche” as their are many established games of it’s kind (i.e. God Of War, Devil May Cry, Ninja Gaiden, etc.) However I do agree that it may not help much as the first didn’t sell all that well, but It certainly won’t hurt.

      It’s a start but they need more.

      • henrik

        I only said Bayonetta is niche because generally games with a female protagonist don’t sell that well, while I also think it’s good Nintendo are funding exclusives but I feel they should spend their money better.

        • D2K

          Umm……..Metroid, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil?

          Also, it’s not like there has been a long history of games with female protagonists anyway. You have to look at the ratio of actually games with female leads and then look at the numbers accordingly.

          Those three franchises I just mentioned are three of the biggest in all of gaming history. When I think ‘niche’ I think games like Fable, Pikmin, Mystical Ninja, etc. Games that have a specific demographic in mind and was designed for. Granted, that argument can be made about Bayonetta being that she is a very sensual character and one could say the game is targeting men (mostly young men,) but the games also could be argued to be catered towards females as well being that Bayonetta is a strong, and in charge female character. It’s a little more up for debate. You know?

          • henrik

            The majority of gamers are male and allot of them don’t like playing as female characters which narrows the demographic.

            Also how many RE games have a female only lead character?

          • D2K

            Numbers don’t lie and you are speaking from your own opinion rather than numbers sake. Are the number staggering? No. Are they better than average? Yes. And since YOU say that the majority of gamers are male, how many males you know that chose to play has Chris Redfield over Jill Valentine or Claire Redfield?

            It wasn’t until Resident Evil 4 that Leon established himself as a dominate male character in the series. Now if you want to play semantics and throw red herrings around that’s fine, but there certainly were no male characters in Metroid or Tomb Raider to share or occupy the lead-role.

            The point is your statement that female character driven games don’t do well is an opinion based on ignoring several factors which I have already explained in detail and I’m not going to do it again. Saying that female lead character games don’t do well because male lead character games do better is like saying WNBA players aren’t good at basketball and NO ONE enjoys it because the vast majority of people enjoy watching the NBA instead. The woman ball players are still athletes, still professionals, and people DO watch them play. No matter how good you are, there is always someone better. No matter how well received a game or genre is, there is always one received better.

            It would make more sense to say that the current install base of the Wii U would probably not receive a game like Bayonetta 2 well and leave it at that because of the little-bit of marketing Nintendo actually has done for it, has not been toward the demographic that would find a game like Bayonetta appealing.

            Bayonetta just didn’t do well. That does happen you know. Not every single game is a winner. There doesn’t have to be an underlying reason behind it. All three franchise I spoke of have multiple games that have sold better than the top-5 best-selling games on the PS4 and XB1. If games with female character leads was as inconsequential as you claim this whole thread would not even exist…………………

          • henrik

            If I have offended you I’m sorry.

          • D2K

            No you have not.

          • NintendoMan

            Actually, according to several websites and web series I have seen, male gamers are 51% and female 49%. Others have also said it is 50/50.

          • henrik

            I had a quick look at a few statistic websites and it seems the Wii had quite large portion of female gamers more then men But the thing is the Metroid series on Wii never sold big numbers.
            Oh and when it comes to percentages i have not found stats company that gives a 50/50 or even 51/49 yet but I will say there are supposedly more female gamers than I originally thought

  • Should I get the first one on PS3? I liked Devil may Cry 4 but gave up when they brought in the other guy and made me re-do all the levels.

    • smashbrolink

      It’s one of the games that made me glad I went multiplatform during the Wii’s generation, and if you liked DMC then you’ll definitely like Bayonetta.
      Tons of challenge, though. Just warning you before-hand; it’s got way more challenge than DMC4 at some points, especially during secret missions and higher difficulty ranks.

  • TalesOfBS

    The question is: There will be a Bayonetta 2 Bundle?
    I want a customized Wii U console with that image on top. And her weapons on the Gamepad.

    • heavenshitman1

      I customized my WiiU. I found Decalgirl (just google it/her) they’ll offer any custom skin you can design really

      • TalesOfBS

        I did that too on my Wii. Pokemon decals.
        But it would be awesome if Nintendo did it. And the quality would be a lot better.

        • heavenshitman1

          Wasn’t too dissatisfied with the quality of mine, it’s a bit fiddley putting the skins on, and did get some minor imperfections, but does have a good looking result.
          Who knows if Nintendo could do a better job. Probably safer for them to leave that up to the third parties, and if anything does go wrong, Nintendo doesn’t take the flak for it.
          I think they should maybe focus on making more colours for the WiiU system though. Don’t see what would be so extreme about offering different coloured plastic shells like they do their DS systems

  • MagicMushroom

    I love this butthurt Sony fanboy typing paragraphs of text on a Nintendo website because he can’t play Bayonetta 2.

    Suck it up

    • b150035

      I know, all of the top comments are just filled with text from that guy, who has that much time to waste?

  • D2K

    If 3rd parties had not taken bribes (funding for advertising and marketing) by Sony and Microsoft to put their games on the their consoles and NOT on the Wii U maybe Sony or Microsoft would have had the money themselves to fund Bayonetta 2 and it could have been an exclusive on one of their consoles.

    The facts are the Sony has blown most of it’s cash reserve and higher ups and investors a Microsoft don’t want anything to do with the XBOX brand so they aren’t going to okay much more money than absolutely necessary to the brand.

    I’m a huge Killer Instinct fan and it sucks that I have to buy a XB1 to play it, but guess what? That’s what I’m gonna do. Sure, I would have liked for Nintendo to buy Rare back and have KI on the Wii U, but that didn’t happen. You know, in life things are always catered to what YOU want. I understand what happened there so I expected it and moved on.

    Some of people that complain about Bayonetta 2 being an exclusive to the Wii U are the same people that claim that Nintendo 1st-party IPs are “kiddie games” yet turn right around and say that Nintendo should go “3rd party” so that Nintendo can make games on the PS4. Mostly Sony fans do this. A few Microsoft fans, but not a lot.

    They know that when it comes to 1st-parties the Sony brand is lacking tremendously which is one of many reason why Sony needs MASSIVE 3rd party support to survive. If 3rd parties for any reason all of a sudden jumped ship to the XB1 or Wii U, the PS4 would be dead in a day. Evidence? See PS Vita.

    The bottom line is that people aren’t complaining because they REALLY want to play bayonetta 2. They are complaining because a 3rd party had the nerve to put a serious mature-rated IP on a Nintendo system, because it looks absolutely phenomenal, and because Nintendo basically paid for it it will NEVER come to the PS4. EVER!!!!!!!!!

    Now Platinum games can take the profits from Bayonetta 2 if it does well to help fund a new Bayonetta (Bayonetta 3?) game that could be a multiplat on all three consoles (which from a financial standpoint would be a good idea.) That definitely is a possibility. If Sony and Microsoft fans really want a Bayonetta game on their consoles in the future, buy a Wii U and support this game to ensure there will be more Bayonettas in the future.

    Another reason why this situation has so many people so warm is because it was proof that Nintendo doesn’t need 3rd parties to come to them. They can just BUY you or YOUR franchise that they wish. If someone besides Mr. “Preese Undastan” was in charge of Nintendo they would have paid for many more exclusives by now. Hopefully if Bayonetta 2 does well Iwata will see that the future of the Wii U lies in a more diverse palette of game genres and mergers and acquisitions like he DID SAY was important.

    • This was an ok comment until the bigotry came out.

      • D2K

        ‘Bigotry’ I hope you aren’t referring to the “Preese Undastan” remark. That’s how HE talks. Apparently you are making a gesture that it is a slur against people of Japanese decent. To do so means that you feel Japanese people talk like that which in essence contradicts your statement to begin with as you would be stereotyping people of Japanese decent thus making YOU guilty of what you accuse.

        It really wasn’t worth bringing up. Seriously. Iwata has more serious issues to deal with that someone picking up on his speech. Like how to make Nintendo operate in a gain for the fiscal year of 2014.

        No more red-herrings please. If I posted about every single thing that I didn’t like on a message board I’d be here all day long. Let’s stay on topic.

    • cusman

      You are a foolish person to think Sony 1st party are “lacking”. Their first party kept the PS3 relevant when the X360 had better versions of most 3rd Party Games, better online services, and was cheaper.

      The Sony 1st party brought their A game on PS3, and have shifted that focus now to the PS4. The PS4 as you may know no longer has those disadvantages against XBO as the PS3 did against X360. It has better online services/value (PS+ vs. XBL Gold), it has better version of most 3rd party games, and it is $100 cheaper.

      They did ignore the PS-Vita, as they focused most of their effort on PS3 and prepping and now supporting PS4, but they have still managed to give it adequate exclusive support and it has tons of games from 3rd parties (especially indies) including many exclusives as well.

      • D2K

        The Wii 1st party titles ALONE outsold the 1st party titles of the PS3, 360, PSP, PS VITA, PS4 and XB1 COMBINED. Look up the numbers yourself.

        • Agreed. Nintendo is a beast when it comes to 1st party games. The reviews and sales don’t lie. I remember back in 2009, when Reggie said that New Super Mario Bros. Wii would sell more units than Modern Warfare 2. Many people laughed because apparently it was inconceivable that a “kiddie” game like Mario could outsell a “manly” game like Call of Duty. Guess what?

          • D2K

            Exactly. Now the to be fair, the pendulum swings even harder in the other direction when it comes to 3rd parties.

            The 3rd party sales numbers on either the 360 or PS3 absolutely destroy the 3rd party numbers for the N64, Gamecube, Wii, DS, 3DS, and Wii U combined. So it is crystal clear which is most important to whom. The thing is that Nintendo is in a stronger position because its a lot easier to get 3rd parties with already established IPs to bring games to your console than it is to develop brand new IPs from scratch and hope they catch on. If Iwata ever turned heel (using a wrestling term) and started getting aggressive by BUYING 3rd party studios Sony and Microsoft would be in big trouble. More-so Sony because Microsoft has more cash to work with to try and counter-attack with purchasing studios.

            The Wii U with the exact same level of 3rd party support as the PS4 and XB1 would be devastating to Sony and Microsoft. It would in effect KILL the PS4 and severely cripple the XB1, which is probably why it doesn’t happen.

            Having a monster Nintendo would create a huge disturbance in the force and make things very uneven and unstable. Maybe even damaging to the industry. Maybe…Nintendo is tanking the Wii U on purpose to allow Sony to get back in the game and regain strength because of their financial woes? I mean, they are both Japanese companies and Sony has been very huggy-buggy in the public eye towards Nintendo in the past several months. Also add in the fact that Nintendo has so much money in the bank that they can fail for 30 years and not go bankrupt.

            It’s a wild stab-in-the-dark by it’s something to think about.

          • Definitely true. No doubt that in the same way Nintendo depends on 1st parties, Sony and MS depend on 3rd parties.

            And I agree, the competition is lucky Iwata is such a nice guy. And is probably for the best. People fail to understand that competition between companies is essential for a healthy industry. It brings out the best in all companies. Which is reflected in their products. Which is only beneficial to us consumers.

          • D2K

            Yup. When I look back at everything I enjoyed growing up whether it was games, movies, sports, wrestling, music, what have you, the best quality came where there was competition at a high level. For instance for me basketball was great as a kid because you had rivalries like the Lakers-Celtics, Bulls-Pistons, Bucks-76ers, Pacers-Knicks, etc.

            Football you had the divisional rivalries like Packers-Bears, Cowboys-Redskins, Raiders-Broncos, etc. In gaming you had Sega vs Nintendo. In pro wrestling you had the WWF vs WCW in the Attitude Era. In rap music you had East Coast vs West Coast. The list goes on and on.

            Things are a lot better when you have competition. Whenever a company has a monopoly that is when people start to get complacent and the quality of the product deteriorates.

        • cusman

          My comment was fully about Sony, and how their 1st party efforts kept the PS3 relevant. The Playstation brand / fanbase is stronger for it.

          The Nintendo fanbase during the course of Wii eroded. Eroded to the point where Wii U isn’t selling even though it has some of the best games Nintendo has ever made.

          The Wii had very high penetration into the market thanks almost exclusively to Wii Sports. Due to that high penetration, all subsequent games from Nintendo enjoyed high sales numbers as well.

          • D2K

            The best selling game on the PS4 is COD: Ghosts. A mulitplat. The two major 1st party PS4 titles Killzone: Shadow fall and Knack has sold 1.48 million and 910,000 respectively. That is about 2.38 million combined. The top five Wii U games have ALL outsold Knack by a country mile and three of the top five have out sold Killzone. In fact, New Super Mario Bros U and NintendoLand have both out sold Knack and Killzone COMBINED.

            The numbers show that the Nintendo fanbase has gone nowhere. Casuals do not count as a fanbase because a fanbase is there for the long haul. The PS2 enjoyed the casuals as well with people buying the PS2 for an inexpensive DVD Player. Those people didn’t fall for the same trick with the PS3 and it became a very costly gamble that has drained Sony’s money reserves.

            Not only that, outside of Gran Turismo 5 the top-10 best selling PS3 games were all multiplats. The best-selling PS3 1st party game was Gran Turismo 5 with 11 million. To put that into perspective, Super Mario Galaxy also sold around 11 million, but it is number 9 on the top-ten list of Wii games. Only one multiplat made it into the top-10 and that was Just Dance 3.

            The amounts of sales of the top-10 Wii games are staggering, but to preclude any excuses being made about console-attach rate and games catered to casuals etc, Super Smash Bros. Brawl has sold 12 million which is more than the best selling 1st-party game on the PS3. No console-pack-in inflation there, and certainly not a casual game.

            There is no way, shape, or form anyone can argue that Sony has now or ever has had great 1st party support. It is just a fact of life. The PlayStation brand was built upon the foundation of 3rd party support. If not for 3rd parties running away from cartridges on the N64 the PlayStation would never have even gotten off the ground. A CD-based N64? Most powerful console of that generation with the added capacity of CDs, plus 3rd party support? It would have been all over.

            Sony needs 3rd parties to survive, and Nintendon’t.

          • cusman

            Sony “fanbase” is much more diverse. Sony makes games that target a much wider range of game genre and player demographics.

            You are correct that Nintendo doesn’t need 3rd parties to survive, as long as they manage to make enough quality 1st party exclusives to keep their “core” super loyal fans satisfied.

            The numbers for Wii U show that the Nintendo fan/player base has eroded. If New Super Mario Wii sold over 30 million copies, and New Super Mairo U on Wii U barely manages to sell 2 million, that is what we call fan/player base erotion.

            Every console vendor needs 3rd party to grow that market share and be considered leading platform for that generation. As such, Nintendo Wii U remains a 2nd or 3rd console of choice when it comes to 8th gen.

          • D2K

            “Sony “fanbase” is much more diverse. Sony makes games that target a much wider range of game genre and player demographics.”

            Well that is your opinion which I suspect matters more to you than facts. When it comes to sales, all three companies have their niche money making genres. To say Sony has a fanbase that is much more diverse is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.

            You can try to spin this any way you wish to find a way that Sony comes out on top in this particular discussion, but you’ve already been proven wrong here.

            You say that every console manufacturer needs 3rd party support to grow their market-share. Well…….

            Nintendo DS – 153 million.
            How many huge 3rd party titles came to the DS?


            In the top 20 DS games how many 3rd party titles were there?
            Just 6. How many in the top 10? 1.

            Nintendo Wii -100 million
            How many huge 3rd party titles did it have?

            *louder crickets*

            In the top 20 Wii games how many were 3rd parties? 6. How many in then top 10? 1.

            Nintendo 3DS – 43 million (and counting)
            How many huge 3rd party titles does it have?

            *bigger loud crickets*

            In the top 20 3DS games how many were 3rd parties? 4. How many on the top 10? 1.

            Nintendo Wii U
            How many huge 3rd party games does it have?

            *Pacific Rim Kaiju Crickets*

            IN the top 20 Wii U games, how many are 3rd parties? 9, which isn’t bad. How many in the top 10?



            The point has been proven once again that Nintendo has succeeded without it and will succeed with out it IF THEY BRING THE GAMES. It doesn’t matter who manufactures the games and publishes the games. What matters if that the games are there to play and all genres have full representation. THAT is the problem with the Wii U. Despite all the talk of lack of 3rd party support on the Wii and DS, those consoles still had representation of all gaming genres and not just games dedicated to casuals as urban legend states. Quiet as it’s kept, the Wii had a lot of fighting games, RPGs, shooters, action-adventure, sports, and racing titles available on it. I mean A LOT.

            This is the last time I’m going to reply because either you are ignoring the facts or are incapable of understanding them. In any event, it is futile for this conversation to continue.

          • cusman

            I never said the 3rd party support has to be top selling. I just said it is essential for growing market share and being considered leading console for that generation. The successful leading platforms by Nintendo had 3rd party support. It doesn’t matter if those 3rd party games sold better than Nintendo games or not. They were successful in their own right. Just as simple example, Majesco company wouldn’t exist today if it wasn’t for Cooking Mama being successful on DS or Zumba Fitness being successful on Wii. There are other such examples.

            So I don’t understand your long winded response full of assumptions about what I do or don’t mean. If you don’t understand what I mean by something, respond with a question for clarification. It will save you time.

            My intention isn’t to make Sony or Nintendo come out on top of discussion. I am not here to represent either company.

      • ronin4life

        I have always felt that MS and Sony 1st party support was pretty much equal until MS started ditching all their studios.

        Sony doesn’t have good non 3rd party support at all compared to Nintendo, and with all the studio shuttering and downsizing it is getting worse: but this isn’t a problem for them, as they only really care about securing 3rd party content with buy-outs.

        • D2K

          And we’ll see how that works out for them in the long run as even with the added money studios are not getting a return on their investment in terms of game sales. As much of a big well-to-do that games like Battlefield 4 and COD: Ghosts have had, their sales are pretty pedestrian and I know those games had huge budgets.

          This will be the generation of the independent developer.

  • Guest

    The comments section…

    • Christopher Deleanides

      Is filled with idiocy? I completely agree. That being said, Nintendo and Platinum know consumers well. This is big publicity. The more controversial and infuriating, the better. This whole thing oughta raise more awareness towards Bayonetta 2 and consequentially Wii U.

      • NintendoMan

        Now just imagine this: Portal 3, TF3, and Half-Life 3 anounced in one big E3 conference. At the end, the screen shows an image saying: “Only on Wii U”. Everyone would attack thd stage and have riots online and in LA. It would never happen, but it would be hilarious if it did.

        • Clumsyman

          Haha, I imagined it probably how you did. Yeah that would be hilarious though! 😀

        • Christopher Deleanides

          Ha ha ha ha. I could only imagine the outrage. After observing the way these crybabies handled Bayonetta 2, it would be like a lit match on gasoline.

          • D2K

            Or a lit match in a closet full of dynamite.

        • D2K

          That would make me laugh for days.

  • SecretX

    i have a wii u so i can play all the great first party games and exclusive third party games. even the wii had them. Nintendo ftw.

  • cusman

    I don’t worry about where the game is or isn’t going. If it is something I feel the need to play, I get the console that has it. Bayonetta isn’t a game that I would buy any console for, but since I already have a Wii U, I will certainly consider getting the sequel if it reviews well.

    • Christopher Deleanides

      I highly recommend it. The first game was amazing. So far the second is looking to be just as good, if not better.

      • cusman

        I own the first game for both my PS3 and my X360. I had bought the PS3 version originally but it had performance issues so I stopped playing somewhere in the middle. I later picked up the game for X360 in some deal and played on there, but I didn’t complete it.

        I liked the core combat and the punishment moves were cool. I didn’t really care for the story. I honestly don’t even remember. Something about witches and angels and some black and white cutscenes.

        • Michael Williams

          Yeah the story is just there for the hell of it.

  • Stranger On The Road

    But an important question still remains unanswered: do we need to have played the first game to play the 2nd game? Or will we get a story summery of the 1st game for those who haven’t played it?

    I don’t know if the anime Baynoetta – Bloody fate is suppose to cover the story of the 1st game or not…. but that was one boring anime!

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      That’s a movie? And no you dont need to know about it

      • Stranger On The Road

        Yup, the fansub of the movie was released last week…. had to take a break while watching it because it couldn’t keep awake!

        • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

          Yeah you should watch it again later lol.

          The movie follows the plot of the first game. The movies good, but the story for the OG bayonetta was always a little all over the place.

          Quite the difference with TW101 who’s story is ace. Or Viewtiful Joes’s

  • ace-meza

    WII U is dead

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      Next gen is deader

    • NintendoMan

      It was never alive. Machines aren’t alive, silly. Except Robocop…

    • Jessenia Lopez

      Nintendo should stop making consoles

      • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

        Nah, Nintendo’s consoles have the sturdiest hardware 😛

    • TalesOfBS

      Yeah, and the Xbox One and PS4 are selling like hot cakes…oh wait.
      That huge sales drop even after all the heavy marketing, third parties saying they are made of unicorns and rainbows while bashing the Wii U and the lies Sony/MS told…

  • Wheresmymonkey

    I’m in the happy it exsits camp. IT’s great that nintendo picked it up and have championed the game, The reaons its not on xbox or playstiaon is because niether Sony or MS were interested in publishing it and SEGA didn’t think the orignal Bayoneta sold enough to warrent a sequel .

    Nintendo on the otherhand saw the value in the game and fronted up the money for it. What’s more the game is looking to be one of the finest hack ‘n’ slashers ever made. From the little I played at EG last year it’s absolutely flawless.

    If you;re a fan of Bayonetta, hell if you’re a fan of the genre you’re going to want to play it. in the meantime i’d suggesst picking up W101 whilst you wait. .

  • lassenwolf

    This is simple, if your a gamer you’ll play bayonetta,If not your not a gamer but someone who likes a system . For a system like the wiiu to get bashed and yet has no problems with 1080p is funny. So how is that a weak system when the xbox1 can’t do 1080p well.

  • Jan Compaf

    again? he is really starving for attention

  • uPadWatcher

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  • Knlegend1

    This is game is going to be awesome. Sucks that those other gamers won’t purchase the console to play it.

  • Jessenia Lopez

    R.i.p Bayonetta

    • trurl

      Sega, Sony & Microsoft let Bayonetta 2 die, because the sales of Bayo1 were not good. It has not enough mainstream appeal.

      Bayonetta was dead. Nintendo resurrected it.

    • Daniel Stevenson

      what? really really your a chick ahahahahaaha lol ! are that many people really pissed and you trolling your a girl you can be disappointed you have no right because your a girl.

  • Martin Elisha

    because lack of sales Microsoft and sony did not want bayonetta 2. Nintendo always giving the underdog a chance. this is not about fan boys ore publicity, this is about sales. for a game. bayonetta 2 will be great on the wii u, at 60 fps and 1080p.

  • jeff5455

    In the end all this Bayonetta 2 port begging won’t matter to Nintendo.

    All the port beggar threads will be lost in time. Like salty tears in rain. Time to grow up fanboys!

  • yienwae

    Watched the video of this presentation on YouTube. I really enjoyed it.

    I thought it was comical when the questioner who said he works with EA asked about the challenges of overselling Bayonetta 2 to the Nintendo’s consumers.

    JP Kellams says “But if you were going to sell a game on a Nintendo platform, what publisher would you choose?”…. and then there is a faint reply from the EA guy who says “Well, there’s not many now…. “.

    JP Kellams sets it straight by saying ” Right, Nintendo. Right? So if you’re going to sell a game on a Nintendo platform, the publisher that you want to be with is Nintendo because [they know how best to service their audience] and they’re going to do the best job of explaining your game to that platform. You very rarely see huge, major third-party successes on Nintendo platforms because it’s really hard to [fight against Mario, right]?”

    *chuckling* I thought that was really funny.

  • Thank you. It’s great. 🙂
    Clipping Path

  • Chu Chu

    I’m a fan of Bayonetta, but I will not buy a weakness operation, no trophies or achievements, super small HDD capacity 32GB… Wii U system just to play it.

    Hey Nintendo, you know what I will goto youtube and watch the whole walk-thought for free lol.

    I hate Nintendo so so much because they bought Resident Evil remake, Fatal Frame 2 remake and 4 for their super stupid Wii system, remember that?

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Platform: WII U
Publisher: Nintendo
Developer: Platinum
Release date: October 24, 2014
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