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September 2017 NPD: Switch #1, Nintendo systems claim two-thirds of gaming hardware sales

Posted on October 19, 2017 by (@NE_Brian) in 3DS, General Nintendo, News, Switch

NPD will be issuing data from the September 2017 report later today. However, Nintendo has already come out with some information to highlight its strong performance.

In September, Switch was the top-selling current-gen hardware in the United States. It’s the third month in the row for the console and the fifth time overall in the seven months since launch. Sales for Switch are now at over two million units in the US alone.

A number of Switch games occupied multiple spots in the list of best-selling individual games of the month. Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle was at #7, Zelda: Breath of the Wild was at #10, and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe was at #11. Metroid: Samus Returns for 3DS was also at #8 in its first month.

Nintendo also noted in today’s announcement that, when combined with the 3DS family of systems and the Super NES Classic Edition system, Nintendo systems claimed two-thirds of the month’s total video game hardware sales.

Source: Nintendo PR

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  • Uwe Heckmann

    …let the hate begin

    • Ninty Kad

      *Grabs popcorn*

      • Coonfoot

        You’ll have plenty of salt for that popcorn soon.

    • Wanderlei

      Must be lot of mental gymnastics going for neogaffers.

      • AJK

        Mental gymnastics require a brain haha

    • notmy cellphone

      I’m going to play bad guy here. Yeah Nintendo may have had a little more consoles sell. But what will people play on it?
      Oh wait they have a AAA release every month since launch! Who else has done that? In fact who else has EVER done that for 6 straight months (soon to be 7 with Mario Odyssey coming up).

  • Roto Prime
  • DarkVader

    Well deserved, quality and innovation rewarded!

  • Drybonekoopa85

    Amazing!!! Good job Nintendo! I’m proud of there turn around.

  • Ser2k2
  • Melatelo

    HAH! Oh I canโ€™t wait for the haters and trolls to see this. Third week in a row baby!

  • KnightWonder

    Just wait until Mario hits next week.

  • Stuart

    Holy…two-third of the hardware is insane.

    But there is more reason to celebrate: Samus returns is a big hit! OOOOOHH YEAAAAAAHHH!!!!

  • MoYeung

    I am in fact not surprised.
    No one wants to get PS4 or Xbox one anymore… I want to know why.

    • Simtopia23

      Switch is more convenient. Switch is life.

    • GoldenTriforce

      They have been out for 4 years, peak momentum for consoles is NORMALLY 2-3 years in, so they are slowing down. Switch has a lot of room to grow which is really good.

      • PRIMUS

        Not for the xboxone. That dud was a dud from the beginning.

        • GoldenTriforce

          In Japan sure, it flopped, but in parts of the west it sold well, not great, so it likely still followed previous sales paths.

        • Justin McQuillen

          Went from thud to dud.

      • cgaurd52

        Yeah. I assume that anyone who wanted to get a PS4, or Xbox One, already has by now.

    • ben

      We are in year 4 and the software releases are exactly the same as year 2.

    • Frank Beans

      This was US only and Switch probably barely beat out the PS4. Worldwide PS4 continues to dominate.

      So there is no why because your premise is false.

      • MoYeung

        We are talking about usa/canada “here”, not rest of the world.

  • Coonfoot

    I recently found the perfect gif to go with this news. (thanks Line)

    • BlueMaxwell

      Where’s that gif form lol?

      • Phenom

        I’m guessing it’s from the new “Just Dance”, switch edition. Really not sure.

      • Coonfoot

        The latest batch of Mario-themed Line stickers.

  • KnightWonder
  • Apfel

    This is so refreshing for the industry. Microsoft took one specific direction and Nintendo went the exact opposite way. The teraflops, resolution and fps pursuit is futile. Switch is all about games.
    Mario is leading every Bestseller list in every amazon…Switch is selling great…however XB1X is not even on the US list…
    I’m not celebrating microsoft’s failure, just celebrating people realizing gameplay, fresh ideas still have a place in this industry.
    What a pleasant surprise.

    • Tlink7

      Nintendo and MS should team up more really. Knock cocky Sony down a peg or two ๐Ÿ˜›

      • PRIMUS

        Xbox is worse than Sony. Sony is just that, cocky.

        • Tlink7

          Why is Xbox worse? I don’t really care about either machine, I just want to see more stuff like cross-platform play

          • AJK

            I’m a ps4 owner but am a bit jealous of not being able to play Halo. But other than that and them owning Rare, Xbox has nothing I want whereas there are a few more ps exclusives I enjoy.

          • Tlink7

            I used to be in the same boat, but now Metal Gear is dead and Kingdom Hearts is cross-platform, Sony has zero pull on me

      • J.j. Barrington

        How is Sony cocky?

        • Tlink7

          They’re on top currently and Sony knows it – and isn’t afraid to mention it either. The company is also refusing to share its larger install base with other platforms, which is good for them but bad for their players

          • Teclis

            We needn’t look further than their unwillingness to do cross-play. Thou speakest truth, ser T.

          • Tlink7

            Your new name confused me for a bit there xD your avatar reminds me of ๐Ÿ˜€

            ..oh I do hope WC3HD is announced at Blizzcon…

          • Teclis

            And if they need a reason why, then the answer is simple: For the

          • J.j. Barrington

            Yeah, but that doesn’t equate to being cocky.

            Also, how is no cross-play- which is a lie, actually, since there IS cross-play with PC and Switch- bad for PS4 owners?

          • awesomeparadise3

            What PS4 game has cross play with Switch? And lack of cross play hurts PS players since they play with less people. The Better Together Minecraft player base is far bigger than what’s on PS. They’re locked off from most players.

          • J.j. Barrington

            Dragon Quest says hi, thanks.

            The Minecraft player base you’re talking about: how big is it? And IF it’s far bigger, is that due to Xbox being involved, or due to PC? Seems like the latter… oh, and PlayStation has been doing cross-play with PC since last generation, so….?

          • awesomeparadise3

            Dragon Quest X. One game and one that isn’t even released outside of Japan. And cross play with PC isn’t a unique selling point. Xbox does that too. With Minecraft, they’re not allowing cross play with Xbox, PC (not Java, Windows 10), Nintendo, mobile phones and the other platforms. Absolutely no one who likes Minecraft multiplayer will buy the PS versions from now on since they’re obviously inferior. Xbox and Nintendo are the ones willing to allow major cross play to happen between consoles. While they’re not winning the console war right now, they’re still two very big companies right now. But my real point is, how does having the ability to play with Xbox hurt PS players? It’s an objective improvement.

          • J.j. Barrington

            Even with what you’re talking about, doesn’t Xbox prevent cross-play with Steam?

            Yep, they do. And it’s not like some significant number of big profile games are what Microsoft is talking about. Tell me: how long before Xbox allows cross-play with FFXIV? Or does this real-world example of how Microsoft isn’t as all for it as they seem something you want to ignore?

            Again with the Minecraft, but you’re trying really hard to discredit Dragon Quest, which is huge in and of itself.

            Your point isn’t that it doesn’t hurt PS players. Your point is that it benefits Xbox and Nintendo players. Precisely because of the difference in install bases,

          • awesomeparadise3


            Says otherwise.


            First 3 pages of my search say otherwise.

            Final Fantasy 14 isn’t even on Xbox One. They used to be against it because of cross play, but that doesn’t apply anymore. Now it’s Sony that all recent and relevant examples point to.

            Yes, DQ is big but X is Japan only means that particular DQ game is not that big.

            Cross play is an objective improvement for PlayStation. Explain to me how it doesn’t benefit PS players. My point was not that it doesn’t hurt them. It was that it benefits them.

          • J.j. Barrington

            That first article is from March of last year. Given that it includes PlayStation among the list of things Xbox does cross-play with…

            The second link consists of exactly two games: Killer Instinct and Rise of Nations. After all this time and all this noise, those are the only two games? You gotta come with more than that if you’re pushing this so hard. What about every other multiplatform game in existence? If this is such an important thing, where’s Call of Duty or Assassin’s Creed?

            “Final Fantasy 14 isn’t even on Xbox One.”

            Right, because Microsoft rejected it. That’s as recent as THIS GENERATION, so don’t act like it’s something Xbox has been doing for a long time. It didn’t matter to anyone back when Microsoft rejected the idea; it didn’t hurt any gamers then. Why are you and others trying to spin it as hurting gamers now?

            “Cross play is an objective improvement for PlayStation.”

            Not really. Or rather, if it’s an improvement, it’s a minor one. A negligible one. And, frankly, it doesn’t seem to be one many PlayStation gamers care a bit about. Xbox gamers like you, on the other hand…

          • awesomeparadise3

            The article says Xbox allows it. Didn’t say it actually happened, or that PlayStation allows it.

            You’re the one who said Xbox prevents cross play with Steam. I checked your claim and found nothing to support it. You also forgot Rocket League. Not a big point for my argument but I just wanted to point that out. Don’t know anything about Assassin’s Creed in general but Call of Duty doesn’t have any kind of crossplay. Not even with PC. The fact that those games don’t have cross play doesn’t matter to my argument. I’m saying they should! Microsoft doesn’t talk about specific games when talking about cross play, they just use general terms. Everything is covered by it.

            I never said Xbox has done this for a long time. But now they’ve stepped up to the plate and it’s Sony’s turn. I wasn’t around on the internet for the rejection of FF 14 so I can’t speak for peoples opinions then. But I know people care about it now. All the PlayStation fans I knew were excited at the prospect. It seems popular to me on the internet. Granted, I can’t claim to spend a lot of time on PlayStation related sites but what I have seen says otherwise.

            I’m much more of a Nintendo guy myself.

          • J.j. Barrington

            That would be what’s called “in theory.” In a thing called “in practice,” Xbox isn’t nearly so open.

            You looked specifically for “Xbox prevents cross play with Steam,” which is a bit dumb, especially since your own search turned up… well, nearly NOTHING that’s cross play with Steam.

            C’mon, man.

          • awesomeparadise3

            It’s not like they can force developers to add cross play. They keep showing that they’re working towards it and announcing compatible games. Sure, it’s not a torrent of games but they’re trying.

            I did not look specifically for “Xbox prevents cross play with Steam.” You’re making that up. I searched up “xbox steam cross play”. It was in unbiased search. And I found your statement that Xbox prevents cross play with Steam was factually incorrect.

            Xbox doesn’t directly ask devs to add cross play. As I said before, they can’t force Activision and Sony to allow cross play for Call of Duty. I don’t know how Assassin’s Creed works. I don’t play those games and I know nothing about them. I didn’t even know they had online multiplayer.

          • Tlink7

            Pretty sure that is the definition of cocky ๐Ÿ˜›

            It isn’t a lie, Sony seems to want as little crossplay as is humanly possible… And because the more players an online environment has, the better? It means faster matches, more matches, more evenly-balanced teams and not to mention you can play together with friends who may have other consoles

          • J.j. Barrington

            No, definitely NOT the definition of cocky. Confident, perhaps, but cocky?

            As for the players… between PC and PS4’s install base, what do you think the paltry numbers from Xbox would do? Almost nothing on the PlayStation front, because online communities are so much larger already. Going from 100 to 150 isn’t anywhere near the dramatic increase that going from 50 to 150 is; the former is PlayStation’s situation, the latter Xbox. Given that PlayStation gamers already don’t have trouble with matchmaking, what difference would they even notice?

            Playing together on with your friends on other consoles isn’t exactly happening, either. It’s not as if you’re able to party up across console platforms with the games that currently don’t include the PS4, is it?

            And you’re still ignoring that cross-play already exists.

          • Tlink7

            Niche games? Quiet hours? Unpopular areas? All reasons why even the PS4 base could benefit from crossplay.

            And yes you can. Minecraft for example…

          • J.j. Barrington

            Most niche games don’t have a presence on Xbox to begin with; when and if they do, the population is negligible.

            Quiet hours? Such as what, exactly? Again, the population of people on Xbox isn’t large enough to make a difference. Indeed, the console has such a small presence in most places that it’d make little to no difference.

            Unpopular areas? For Xbox, perhaps. Not so much for Switch, and definitely not for PlayStation right now.

            I think it’s interesting that you bring up these hypothetical situations, but not one game that fits the criterion set forth.

          • Tlink7

            We’re just going to have to move on I think ๐Ÿ˜› have a nice day ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Operative

    A well deserved come back for them. I hope they continue their success while simultaneously not letting it go to their heads. It probably will but at least it’ll be a few years before we see the results of that

    • GoldenTriforce

      Sadly it always does, it seems to be starting again for Sony. Lets hope this time, Nintendo can be the exception.

      • Operative

        Yeah, as a big PS4 fan, it’s frustrating to see how cocky Sony is getting. But hopefully it’s all cyclical, and they’ll get taken down a peg next-gen. And yeah, definitely hope Nintendo is the exception. Even if they were cocky with the Wii U, the games they made for it were still very fun and consumer friendly. So at least their success doesn’t lead to stuff like loot boxes. Yet, at least

      • J.j. Barrington

        What cockiness are you talking about?

        • GoldenTriforce

          Not taking part in cross platform play feels like an early sign of the arrogance that most console manufacturers get after a successful system. Since they’re on top, they feel that their systems will sell no matter what, meaning they can make anything and anyone will buy it. This happened with Nintendo and the Wii U, Sony and the PS3, Microsoft and the Xbone pre launch, SEGA and the Saturn, etc.

  • Man


  • Switch isn’t 8th gen

    • heavenshitman1

      This is a true point. Obviously we can’t really count clear gens now anymore.
      But Switch is versing like 4 year old devices, maybe things will change when PS5/XB2 comes.

      But still, for half the world claiming Nintendo’s doom. This is bloody impressive

      • The same thing happened with Wii U. People were dubbed it as 7th Gen because Nintendo started it first. Same with 3DS vs PSP. Until the PS4, Xbox One and Vita came they started dubbing the Wii U and 3DS as 8th gen.

        The media and gaming community just doesn’t want to accept that Switch is a new generation for Nintendo.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Sure it is.

      • No.
        NES – 3rd
        SNES – 4th
        N64 – 5th
        GC- 6th
        Wii – 7th
        Wii U – 8th
        Switch – 9th

        Generation is defined by Time.

        • awng782

          If that were the case, Nintendo’s PR statement woyld read something like this:

          “Nintendo Switch represents 100% of all 9th generation consoles sold on the market.”

          • None of the big 3 mention generation when talking about sales that not important.
            If you can comprehend the fact that the Switch is the next generation Nintendo system.

          • awng782

            “Current gen” means PS4, XBO, and Switch. Whether that’s 9th gen or 8th gen is not relevant.

          • No. Wii U is the same gen as PS4 and Xbox One.
            Doesn’t matter what is said.
            If that what you think then the Wii U is the same gen as PS3, Wii is in the same gen as PS2, GC same as PS1, N64 same as Genesis and SNES is NES gen while NES is Arcade gen.

            Which is 100% stupid and false. Switch is not a Wii U upgrade so it’s a 9th generation system.

          • awng782

            According to the NPD (and Nintendo’s own PR statement), the Switch is “current gen.”

            There can be more than one device from the same platform holder in one generation, much like how there can be one device spanning multiple generations (Gameboy). This is not a slight against the Switch in any way.

          • NPD is NPD not Nintendo.

          • awng782

            Ok. But read Nintendo’s own statement.

            “In September, the Nintendo Switch system was once again the top-selling current-generation console hardware, according to the NPD Group, which tracks video game sales in the United States.”

          • Switch is not a 8th system. It didn’t release in the same time frame as the Wii U or PS4 or Xbox One.

          • awng782

            I never numbered anything, because numbers don’t matter that much. “Current gen” is “current gen”.

          • Except Generation means Time. Switch did not release around the same time. So no it’s not current gen.
            That only a marketing thing.

          • J.j. Barrington

            Not right at all.

        • J.j. Barrington

          Not entirely. There are half-generation consoles out there. Just because it’s the new console from Nintendo doesn’t make it a new gen, particularly when it hardly made it out of the time frame of the current one.

          Nice try, though.

          • wrong. 2012-2017 is 5 year.
            Nintendo system are usually 5-6 years apart.

          • J.j. Barrington

            So do their consoles not count as generations with other hardware on the market?

            Or do they just do their own thing, outside of everybody else?

            If the former, then just being the successor doesn’t equate to being the next generation in regards the competition. In other words: it’s perfectly feasible that two consecutive consoles from the same company could be in the same generation. As I’ve said, it’s happened before.

            If it’s the latter, then they don’t have generations at all, and there’s no point arguing about it.

          • There no law that states generation begins when all three release system at the same time.
            Switch is Nintendo 9th generation system whether you accept or not doesn’t change that fact.

            Nintendo Home Consoles don’t do mid-gen refresh.

          • J.j. Barrington

            You mean just like there’s no law that states that the next console is or should be considered a new generation?

          • That some terrible reading comprehension you have there.
            Read again.
            “There no law that states generation begins when all three release system at the same time.”
            Meaning who ever release their system first after phrasing out their previous system will be the first of that new generation. Just because PS5 and the next Xbox isn’t coming yet doesn’t mean Switch is forced as 8th gen system til they are.

            Stupid gaming media logic

          • J.j. Barrington

            You’re trying too hard to make generation mean only what you want it to. Particularly as it pertains to technology, generation also frequently refers to the ability of the object in question. A fifth-generation processor might only be the second generation for that company, or that specific line; on the other hand, it might be their seventh generation processor, but only perform at the level of the fifth generation.

            Does this make any sense to you? Or will you deny reality so you can continue on in your fantasy world?

  • Tlink7

    Muahahahahaha! >:D


    Told you guys the 3DS is still the greatest.

  • Lightning

    RIP xbox

  • awng782


  • Tga215


  • TDude73

    #SwitchNation #NintenDOMINATION !


    Wow! the gamble they made is really paying off!

  • Don Zaloog

    A well deserved success for Nintendo. I love when a company actually innovates and is not only successful but also succeeds in moving the industry forward.

  • awng782

    October 2017 could be the biggest non-holiday, non-harware launch month for a single Nintendo platform since 2010/2011.

    First month US sales of all 3D Mario games:
    [SEP 1996] Super Mario 64 (1 week) – 300,000
    [AUG 2002] Super Mario Sunshine (1 week)- 350,000
    [NOV 2007] Super Mario Galaxy (3 weeks) – 1,120,000
    [MAY 2010] Super Mario Galaxy 2 (1 week) – 564,000
    [NOV 2011] Super Mario 3D Land (4 weeks) – 625,000
    [NOV 2013] Super Mario 3D World (2 weeks) – 215,000

    Mario Kart 8 Deluxe sold 550,000 copies in its first week on the market. At the time, the Switch had sold around 1.192 million units in the US, meaning the game had a ~46% attach ratio.

    The Switch should reach well over 2.5 million units sold in the US by the end of October. If Mario Odyssey has a similar attach ratio as Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, the game will sell well over 1 million copies in its first week.

    • Gregory Weagle

      I’m already weary about the “Over two million units in the USA alone” figure, considering that Nintendo said the exact same thing on their LTD for the end of March before the final figure came out to 2.74 million units. So; I’ll wait until the October 30 investor’s meeting to see where the numbers are and then I’ll work from there.

      • awng782

        The Switch reached 2 million units sold in the US by the end of August. That figure is now well, well above 2 million by now.

        • J.j. Barrington

          Is it?

          • awng782


          • J.j. Barrington

            Your source?

          • awng782

            Leaked NPD data ๐Ÿ™‚

            Switch US hardware sales:
            Mar 2017: 911,000
            Apr 2017: 281,000
            May 2017: 165,000
            June 2017: 215,000
            July 2017: 222,000
            Aug 2017: 215,000 +/- 5,000 (very rough estimate)
            6 month total: 2.009 million

          • J.j. Barrington

            Considering those rounded numbers…

          • awng782

            The August sales figures are the only numbers that are rounded to a somewhat notable degree. The March-July numbers are pretty much 100% precise (+/ 0.1%).

          • J.j. Barrington

            Every one of those is rounded, or they wouldn’t end in “,000.”

          • awng782

            “To a notable degree”

  • ben

    Nintendo owns Japan and America.

  • AJK

    But I thought Nintendo were doomed? Some guy on an internet forum told me they were ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

  • awng782

    While hardware numbers have yet to leak, here is some perspective:

    The PS4 sold 285,000 units in September 2016. The PS4 Slim launches during that month, to relatively quiet reception.

    So far, monthly PS4 sales in 2017 have been up YoY since March. If we assume that trend continued into September 2017 and PS4 sales were flat or narrowly up YoY thanks to the Destiny 2 PS4 Pro bundles, that means the Switch sold over 285,000 units last month

  • J.j. Barrington

    Why would yo combine Switch sales with handheld and retro console sales?

    • TDude73

      Nintendomination. It’s what you do.

      • J.j. Barrington


    • masterjedi

      Because all Nintendo does is make games and gaming consoles so they report their entire business. For Microsoft and Sony, they have multiple things so when it comes to the gaming industry, only Sony and Microsoft’s sales data for their gaming divisions is relevant.

      • J.j. Barrington

        That’s silly. The question is why combine multiple platform sales and then brag about them in comparison to the competition?

        Oh, by the way, Nintendo DOESN’T just make games and gaming consoles. How uninformed are you about the company you’re talking about?

        • masterjedi

          Are you talking about amiibo or something like that? Either way, it makes PERFECT sense to compare your companies revenue in the video game market to every other company’s revenue in the video game market. It doesn’t matter that Nintendo is making money from multiple consoles and Sony and Microsoft are making money from only one. Its video game industry revenue.

          • J.j. Barrington

            Nintendo has been making non-video game products since… the beginning.

            And they didn’t compare revenue, did they? They didn’t say their consoles were raking in 2/3 of all hardware revenue- and they’d need to know the revenue the other two companies were making off their hardware to claim that; they don’t- did they? No, they combined their HARDWARE sales to make them look bigger. It’s as silly as Microsoft moving from hardware sales to “Windows 10 devices” to hide slumping sales.

            This isn’t to imply that Nintendo is hiding slumping Switch sales, but it IS to say you don’t come off as being very confident when you do things like that, particularly when the competition don’t have as many pieces of hardware on the market. Sony might as well add in Xperia sales, right?

          • masterjedi

            I’m well aware that Nintendo started out as a trading card company. I know they are working on a Nintendoland theme park. But I’m fairly certain they don’t make those cards anymore and Nintendoland is not open yet I don’t think. Would you care to give some examples of the non-game/gaming console items that Nintendo currently produces that you’re talking about since you’re calling me so “uninformed?” I’d love to get educated.

            As far as comparing their hardware sales, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Windows 10 devices are different because they are not gaming consoles, they are devices that can also play games. Gaming is not their primary function. Same with Xperia. Nintendo is currently selling multiple devices whose primary function is to play games. Microsoft currently sells one device whose primary function is to play games. Same with Sony. To me, it makes perfect sense to compare my gaming console sales to my competitor’s gaming console sales. You disagree. That’s fine. We don’t have to agree on this topic.

            I do think its a strategic move by Nintendo to show their investors how much of the market share they hold right now but I also just think that’s smart business. Microsoft often does this when they talk to their investors about game software sales by including the sales of said games on their Windows 10 devices.

          • J.j. Barrington

            Don’t be fairly certain; look it up. We’re on the internet, where information is plentiful.

          • masterjedi

            Well its very easy for you to come here and say things as if they are facts, then when someone asks you to support your claims with evidence you tell that person to go find that evidence. If you think I’m going to scour the internet to find this random thing that you are talking about you’re wrong. You see, there’s no way for me to actually find the “stuff” that you’re talking about because no matter what I find, you could always just say “That’s not what I’m talking about.” I am not your student, proving you right is not a homework assignment for me. The burden to support the claims YOU made is not on me, it is on YOU because they are YOUR claims. Seems to me that this conversation has reached its conclusion. See you in the next one!

          • J.j. Barrington

            lol, well, the first problem with your little rant is that you’re the one that made the first claim, not me. YOU claimed Nintendo only made games. Amazing how some things can slip our minds, isn’t it?

          • masterjedi

            That is true. But unlike you, I gave very specific examples (trading cards, Nintendoland) of non-gaming products that were part of Nintendo’s business plans, but not currently in production. I also referenced a product (amiibo) that Nintendo produces that is not a video game or gaming console, but is closely related to those products. So I supported my claim with information to back it up.

            You on the other hand only offered the statements “Oh by the way, Nintendo DOESN’T just make games and gaming consoles. How uninformed are you about the company you’re talking about?”

            and “Nintendo has been making non video game products since…the beginning.”

            Again, no clear cut answer as to what products you’re talking about. No clear cut answer as to whether or not these products are still made by Nintendo today. Nothing to support your claims. So again, it seems like you are not interested in having a full conversation, it just seems like you want me to say you’re right. Since I don’t think you’re right, we’re at am impasse.

            Unless you’re going to contend that my original statement was to be taken as me thinking Nintendo has only EVER made video games and gaming consoles? But no that can’t be the case, because I very specifically said I was aware they originated as a trading card company. I guess we’re back to square one.

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  • notmy cellphone

    Somewhere, some how, a mental gymnast will say yeah Nintendo may have 2/3’s but Microsoft would have had people was not waiting on a $500 console!