Submit a news tip



Sakurai addresses Ice Climbers’ absence in Smash Bros. Wii U/3DS and more in new Famitsu column

Posted on September 16, 2014 by (@NE_Brian) in 3DS, News, Wii U | 0 Likes

ice-climbers

In this week’s issue of Famitsu, Masahiro Sakurai published his latest bi-weekly column. The Smash Bros. director goes into a number of topics in his piece.

First, regarding the roster, Sakurai mentioned that even though many characters are included, there are some who worry about those who didn’t make the cut. He specifically addresses the absence of the Ice Climbers as well. It seems they were running in the Wii U version, but due to the required hardware power, the team couldn’t make them work in the 3DS game. There wasn’t as high a priority given to series that are unlikely to have another installment at this time.

On the topic of different release dates for Super Smash Bros. on Wii U and 3DS, Sakurai mentions that this was for debugging, which was necessary to avoid there being considerable differences between the two versions. If both games had a shared release date, a launch in 2015 may have occurred.

Finally, Sakurai shared a tidbit about the trophies in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U 3DS. Akihiro Toda – known for the texts in the Mother series – wrote the descriptions.

Source

Leave a Reply

  • Thomas_NE

    “On the topic of different release dates for Super Smash Bros. on Wii U and 3DS, Sakurai mentions that this was for debugging, which was necessary to avoid there being considerable differences between the two versions. If both games had a shared release date, a launch in 2015 may have occurred.”

    That makes no sense.

    • Brian

      Sakurai basically said that since the two games have so much content, those separate debugging periods were needed. But yeah, he does suggest that had the two games been released together, they may have come out in 2015. It might be clearer when I get my hands on the full column this week.

      • Maybe just a marketing thing. Pokemon and other games are coming out around November, so having both Smashes come out then might’ve been bad or something. *shrug*

    • Bryan J Lewis

      It’s pretty simple. You have 100 testers. If you want to release both games at the same time, you split them 50/50, meaning worse quality and more bugs unless you test longer (2x longer basically). If you put all 100 on 1 title then switch them to the other, you get better quality and might even get 1 of the titles out sooner since it’s being tested faster.

      • That’s what I originally thought too, but technically there IS something else they could do… which would be to simply do things as they did, but delay the 3DS version’s release until November. Then they release them at the same time.

        However if you actually wanted to finish them both at around the same time and not simply release them at the same time, then your suggestion works. XP

        • Bryan J Lewis

          Releasing both at the same time would actually hurt their sales. There’s little reason for them to finish the 3DS version and then hold onto it until the Wii U version is done. I think there are more people who would prefer the Wii U version, so releasing the 3DS version early will boost 3DS sales as people are impatient. It’s similar to how people bought the console version of Dark Souls 2 even though they were planning to get the PC version as well. Most of these people consider the PC version superior due to better graphics, but they didn’t want to wait a month.

          • Oh I know, I’m just saying. Hopefully this makes more sense, lol:

            People: “Why are there different release dates?”
            Sakurai: “Debugging. Would be 2015 if shared.”
            People: “*explanation* This is why it would take until 2015.”
            Me: “Technically, both games will be out by late November using their current debug method, so if they simple withheld the 3DS version until the same day as the Wii U version, they TECHNICALLY could have both games out by late November. It wouldn’t make sense to do that, I’m just saying there is the possibility.”

    • Dan

      I agree. The last person who would know anything about this would be the guy who actually made the game. Pfft. What does he know. Now Thomas_NE. That guy knows what up. Please share some more of your baseless suspicions please.

  • Shilo Java

    I don’t know if he means they are only in the Wii U version or they cut them out anyways.

    • Cat Man Dune

      They are cut.

    • DaniHibiki

      I dont know he said they were coompleted in wiiU or not? Why cut them only for limitation? Is better have them in one version than not having them

      • Because he wanted the roster to be the same in both versions.

      • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

        Because they probably werent balanced

        • Granpapá Oso

          The problem wasn’t balance, the problem was the inferior processing power of the 3DS that couldn’t handle a 4 player match with only Ice climbers, and as the roster is going to be the same for both versions they had to cut them from the Wii U version because of the 3DS version.

          • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

            ….?

            Im saying the Ice climbers were never complete on the WIi U.

            So no reason to keep them

            And yeah the 3DS cant handle being 60fps in 3D with 4 human charaters and 4 ai players on the screen at the same time. Smash pushes 3DS to its limits.

          • Granpapá Oso

            Well, they didn’t complete them because there was no point if they wouldn’t be included because of the 3DS version.

            And when you said they weren’t balanced I thought you were refering to how balanced they were in the game, like that they were cut because they weren’t balanced, for example with that damn infinite grab they have.

          • Brandon Jaquez

            I think that goes to Monster Hunter and Resident Evil Revelations. Smash Bros isn’t a technically impressive game on 3DS.

          • hallucinogenius

            Very unrelated to this article lol but I am extremely excited for MH4U on the New 3DS.

          • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

            Lmao, Smash isnt technically impressive? You’re crazy.

            Kid Icarus Uprising looks better than Monster Hunter anyway

  • Prayer Police

    Why does both versions NEED the same roster again?
    I wouldn’t be made if the Wii-U version had more characters. The Wii-U needs the sale incentives.

    • TalesOfBS

      Nintendo would rather not release it on the Wii U if they had to bring more characters for it.

      • starwars360

        Yeah also Nintendo not want 3DS gamers upset or moaning or even bashing on Nintendo. So it is seem Nintendo want both versions is fair for all Nintendo’s fans and gamers. 🙂

        • Triforce of the Gods

          Which doesn’t make sense because both versions have different stages AND the 3DS has Smash Run while Wii U does not. So it’s not only uneven anyway, but now it’s more “unfair” for Wii U owners.

          • Wii U has there own stages too.

          • Triforce of the Gods

            That’s what I said, the stages are completely different from each other. Add to that the fact that the 3DS version has an exclusive mode, the Wii U having to cut a character just to make it fair makes no sense.

          • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

            Wii U version is for competitive multiplayer and it has its own stuff too

          • TalesOfBS

            I don’t see how “competitive multiplayer” players will be happy with the idea of their possible main characters getting cut just because the 3DS can’t handle them.

          • kthanxyousuck

            I think you’re overestimating the amount of people who care about Ice climbers.

          • SpiderStaryu

            It doesn’t matter how many if it’s a lot or if a few, the point is people will care that the Ice Climbers aren’t there lol

          • kthanxyousuck

            But people will always care that someone is missing.

            Look at all the disappointment at Chrome not being playable.
            Look at all the disappointment MewTwo isn’t in it.

            There is always going to be someone upset that someone wasn’t included.

            You have to realize that they’re trying to appeal to new players that have come within the last six years as well as lifelong players (hence the addition of 2 FE:A characters and more newer pokemon like Grininja and Lucario. Luigi’s final smash adding his Luigi’s Mansion vacuum). Do people really want the same exact roster from 13 years ago?

            They could have done other things if they really wanted to include ice climbers but decided they weren’t worth the trouble.

          • MagcargoMan

            Your comparisons are fail. Ice Climbers were going to be in were cut because of the 3Ds version. That’s not comparable to a character who was cut from the last game not returning again or a character who was never playable being a Final Smash.

          • HozukiHangetsu

            Dude. ICs are actually pretty good, I hear.

            It sucks for people who mained them. No more wobbles, LOL.

          • hallucinogenius

            They’re surprisingly good. I thought they sucked until this past EVO2014 tournament, where I was shown the error of my ways. Still don’t care for them though. It does suck for the people who got really good with them.

          • Triforce of the Gods

            That’s what I said, the stages are completely different from each other. Add to that the fact that the 3DS version has an exclusive mode, the Wii U having to cut a character just to make it fair makes no sense.

          • meekmeek93

            The Wii U version will still have a mode that rivals Smash Run. Its visuals may look amazing, but that’s all its offering at the moment. After the worldwide release of the 3DS version, Sakurai will bring out the big guns and promote the Wii U version like crazy to the point of consumers forking their bucks for the game and system.

          • Granpapá Oso

            Or maybe he won’t because he said that Pics of the Day will now focus on entertaining or funny pictures.
            And if the Wii U version will have a exclusive mode to compete with Smash Run it probably would have been revealed by now… They should have added Smash Run to both versions but each one with a different map.

          • meekmeek93

            No, they’re going to wait. It’s all business: if Sakurai revealed the Wii U’s mode during the Direct, E3, or anytime before the 3DS release, then people would question whether to get the 3DS version or Wii U version, and thus projected sales would be lower since consumers would choose one version over the other in terms of what it offers.
            The goal isn’t to just sell their games, it’s to sell both of their games by making them as different as possible so that way consumers will have more incentive to buy them.
            I’ll give you an example: right now, I really want the 3DS version of Smash Bros. It offers so much, and it’s on the go! On the other hand, I don’t know if I’ll get the Wii U version. Sure it boasts HD graphics and uses Amiibo figures, but soon the 3DS will have the ability to scan Amiibos and thus I don’t really have any incentive to buy the Wii U version.
            Now I will give you two cases which involve Nintendo revealing a super awesome mode for the Wii U: the first case suggests it is revealed before the launch of the 3DS version. Suddenly, I really want to buy the Wii U version! “But what about the 3DS version?” “…Eh I dunno, the Wii U version is so much cooler though. The 3DS version doesn’t do that much anyway.”
            The second case suggests that the mode is revealed after the 3DS launch (assuming I already bought the 3DS version). There will be hype for the Wii U version that won’t stop.
            The key is to not make one large hype train for both games, but rather two separate hype trains for each game.

          • Granpapá Oso

            I really can’t think of anything other than more new stages and characters that could make the hype for the Wii U version rise, more characters in the Wii U version would be the perfect incentive but I doubt that will happen, probably there will be DLC for both versions as the CSS of the 3DS version with all characters unlocked makes no sense, Shulk is first party and is stuck in the bottom row with the third parties when there’s clearly a space left in the row above.

          • hallucinogenius

            *97% first party.

          • Granpapá Oso

            Or maybe he won’t because he said that Pics of the Day will now focus on entertaining or funny pictures.
            And if the Wii U version will have a exclusive mode to compete with Smash Run it probably would have been revealed by now… They should have added Smash Run to both versions but each one with a different map.

          • meekmeek93

            The Wii U version will still have a mode that rivals Smash Run. Its visuals may look amazing, but that’s all its offering at the moment. After the worldwide release of the 3DS version, Sakurai will bring out the big guns and promote the Wii U version like crazy to the point of consumers forking their bucks for the game and system.

        • kthanxyousuck

          But most 3DS gamers wouldn’t even care. Each should have been given some exclusive characters.

        • TempestTwin

          So what if 3DS owners complain about the Wii U version having a bigger roster? No one is stopping them from buying the game. They are welcome to buy the game like everyone else.

    • TheAverageGuyTAG

      Well, why not? 😛

    • jneal57

      yeah, but that cannibalizes the 3ds sales and if your gonna do that then why even make a 3ds version.

  • Ryan Gallagher

    I don’t give a crap about ice climbers, only my Mewtwo! x0

    • Same here.

    • Anonymous

      Same. I can’t fathom why he’s still not back. Ugh.

  • Alessandro Previti

    I’m not sure I understand how a character can be too heavy for the hardware.
    Does he mean that there was no more memory for additional characters on the cartidge?
    If he doesn’t mean that, then I have no idea what he’s talking about…

    • Set to Jet!

      The 3DS can’t handle 8 player characters, which is what the Ice Climbers would bring.

      • Guest

        Then explain Rosalina and Luma.

        • Velen (Not WoW)

          To be fair, Chaos, Luma is a much smaller overall model than Rosalina.

        • Beta Sprite

          Luma doesn’t have its own AI. It just reacts to player button presses.

          For the Ice Climbers, Nana had her own AI, and the 3DS couldn’t handle running that AI alongside the rest of the game. That was my understanding, at least. Character model really shouldn’t have anything to do with this.

          • hallucinogenius

            This. Most people don’t realize that the new multi-model characters don’t actually have AI, they just have to be aware of where the player is and wait for input, whereas Ice Climbers actually need to be aware of stimuli and respond accordingly.

          • Alessandro Previti

            thank you for the explanation 🙂
            I’m new of SB, I had no idea that one of the I.Climbers is behaving independently.

      • Spencer

        The 3DS is more powerful than the GameCube, which was able to handle Ice Climbers just fine.

        • Brad P

          Maybe it couldn’t handle a possible 8 AI with 3D on, plus online?

          • Spencer

            Good point. Thanks for a constructive response.

          • Dan0709

            I’m not really into the tech limitations area, but if we are talking about a character that has 2 characters as one, doesn’t this make Duck hunt the same as ice climbers? if they are not the same, i would love to hear from someone how the hell are they a different case :/ or is it probably that the DHD is the replacement of ice climbers and they couldn’t have both?… i dont get it really, and honestly idc that much about the ice climbers so i will just leave it at that :/

          • Granpapá Oso

            Duck Hunt is just one character, the Duck isn’t a different object like Olimar’s pikmins and Rosalina’s Luma, but while the Pikmins and Luma work based on the player’s inputs the Ice Climbers don’t, you’re using 1 character but the other Ice climber is actually controlled by a CPU, it has it’s own AI even though in some cases you would think it does not because it copies your moves when you’re together, and the processor for the 3DS isn’t as powerful as to handle a 4 player match with only Ice Climbers, in fact even Brawl had frame rate problems with 4 player matches with only Ice Climbers and a lot of items if I remember correctly.

        • TalesOfBS

          It has more ram, but not more processing power.
          Do not compare a mobile ARM cpu to the GC’s IBM cpu.

          • Spencer

            Why would I not? The ARM11 is superior to the Gecko in design, architecture, cache, etc. Or are you one of those people that just compares clock speeds and calls it a day?

          • TalesOfBS

            Or are you one of those people that just compares clock speeds and calls it a day?

            No, i am not. But i am pretty sure that you are one of those who don’t know the differences between ARM and PowerPC.
            PowerPC = Processing large quantities of data. IBM use those on their servers.
            ARM = Totally focused on being power effective. Phones.

        • Kevin James McAllister

          You have no clue what you’re talking about.

          • Spencer

            Since you clearly do, care to explain?

          • Kevin James McAllister

            I don’t need to – others have pointed out why your statement was incorrect.

        • dubaloseven

          You’re wrong.

          Like, hyper wrong.

          • Spencer

            Care to explain rather than be baselessly dismissive?

        • jneal57

          if the 3ds was just a strong gamecube then sure, but it has a lot more running in the background, and this is a bigger game

          • Spencer

            True, that makes more sense. Thanks for a constructive response.

    • Brandon Sultana

      A 3DS isn’t powerful enough to support 4 people playing as Ice Climbers simultaneously, while still running at 60fps

  • Ben Rhodes

    I think it makes sense to assume that the Chorus Men and Rayman too could have been added to the Wii U version, but failed to work properly in the 3DS version, hence why we got 3 Clone characters instead, to take their place, and explains why the clones aren’t with their franchises.

    Chorus men suffered the same problem as the Ice Climbers did, we know they were in due to the leaker that got every other newcomer right.
    Rayman cause I see it as the only way they’d have his Trophy instead.

    • TalesOfBS

      And why mr. game watch is a playable character.

    • Arudo

      you’re wrong, chorus men and rayman were never meant to be playable(gematsu leak aslo got chrom wrong). Clone characters do not replace any characters, theyre just extras which means they were added cuz they had a little bit of extra time and an unique character would take much more time than what they can afford.

  • So I should blame the 3DS for no Ice Climbers?

    • Samuel Silva

      Yep!

    • DD1216

      Yes.

    • Dan0709

      totally, if you ask me, i wouldn’t have even made a 3ds version, it just fcked up a lot of good ideas and made happen a lot of unnecessary cuts on the roster. Lets hope the wii u version brings up the hype back with some real deal

      • Kevin James McAllister

        how is one cut “a lot of unnecessary cuts”? And what proof is there that Ice Climber won’t be in the Wii U version?

        • Brandon Sultana

          Sakurai’s numerous comments that state that the games will share the same roster

          • TalesOfBS

            Exactly.

          • Kevin James McAllister

            Which he said before the game was released, didn’t he? Just because he said that a couple of times does not mean that those plans didn’t change.

        • The proof is: Sakurai said so. Same roster for both games.

          • Kevin James McAllister

            He also could have said that before they had to cut ice climbers. Sometimes plans change.

          • This is not the first time Sakurai has said he had trouble making the Ice Climbers run on 3DS. That is not news. He had said it before. I think what is new here is that the duo was actually already running on Wii U and then were cut because of the 3DS’s limitations.

      • MadCrain

        This. If it only came out on Wii U it would have moved SO many consoles, but no. Whatever.

        • Granpapá Oso

          And it would have so much more content.

        • Melatelo

          I said this a few months ago and people went full on crazy at me. I actually think it was a really stupid move to bring Smash to 3DS. If anything they could of brought smash to 3DS , 6 months after the release of the Wii U version.

          • MadCrain

            The only people who disagree are 3DS users because then they would have to get a Wii U.

      • hallucinogenius

        Aside from IC’s exclusion, i don’t really see any downsides. For me, it only expands my ability to enjoy Smash; play anywhere I go, or play with higher fidelity.

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      You can also blame the 3ds for Shiek and ZSS getting their own slots

      • Guest

        No, that’s to balance the game better.

        • hallucinogenius

          And because some players only want to use one of the characters, so it’s wasteful for Zelda, and can be annoying for Samus since it forces you to change after FS.

          • MagcargoMan

            “and can be annoying for Samus since it forces you to change after FS”

            Invalid. He could have easily made it so there’s a few seconds before she transforms and you could cancel the transformation by pressing B.

            It’s clear it really got cut because of the 3DS not handling it well.

          • hallucinogenius

            Transformation characters being split has absolutely nothing to do with the 3DS’ technical limitations. Both models aren’t being rendered at the same time, and there is no cpu-hogging AI. The two models are simply linked by an input action, akin to changing characters on the fly. None of this is technically taxing. He did this for balance and because of the large volume of players who only use one of the characters. I don’t use ZSS, I prefer Samus, and the only thing I like about the transformation is that her armor makes for some of the best projectiles in the game. I also only use Sheik. My gf doesn’t, she only uses Zelda. Most competitive players only use ZSS because she’s a full 3 tier grades above Samus. And given the option to cancel, her FS would suck and not make sense. Also, I know this isn’t something you mentioned, but many people that share your view on this particular point also say this, so I’ll just address it here: “Ridley is too big for 3DS” had no merit. The size of the character model makes no difference, otherwise Super Mushrooms wouldn’t be a thing. Now, weather or not he’s too big for Smash Bros in general is another story, but I’m sure if they wanted to include him they would have just scaled him as they have done with other characters, just like if Olimar was to-scale we wouldn’t even be able to see him.

            tl;dr: No.

          • hallucinogenius

            Transformation characters being split has absolutely nothing to do with the 3DS’ technical limitations. Both models aren’t being rendered at the same time, and there is no cpu-hogging AI. The two models are simply linked by an input action, akin to changing characters on the fly. None of this is technically taxing. He did this for balance and because of the large volume of players who only use one of the characters. I don’t use ZSS, I prefer Samus, and the only thing I like about the transformation is that her armor makes for some of the best projectiles in the game. I also only use Sheik. My gf doesn’t, she only uses Zelda. Most competitive players only use ZSS because she’s a full 3 tier grades above Samus. And given the option to cancel, her FS would suck and not make sense. Also, I know this isn’t something you mentioned, but many people that share your view on this particular point also say this, so I’ll just address it here: “Ridley is too big for 3DS” had no merit. The size of the character model makes no difference, otherwise Super Mushrooms wouldn’t be a thing. Now, weather or not he’s too big for Smash Bros in general is another story, but I’m sure if they wanted to include him they would have just scaled him as they have done with other characters, just like if Olimar was to-scale we wouldn’t even be able to see him.

            tl;dr: No.

          • MagcargoMan

            tl;dr: “Me and my GF only use one therefore everyone else should.”

            Nice. Definitely not selfish of you or anything. How dare the previous games give us options!

            “And given the option to cancel, her FS would suck and not make sense.”

            So being able to cancel apparently doesn’t make sense but using the beam that used to destroy suit do nothing this time does? You just like to put up barriers to defend Sakurai’s poor decisions.

            “Also, I know this isn’t something you mentioned, but many people that share your view on this particular point also say this”

            Do you even logic? “I saw some who said this also say this, therefore you most likely think so too. Can’t have a Smash conversation without bringing up the obligatory Ridley mention after all.”

          • hallucinogenius

            1. My gf and I are merely two personal examples. Watch some competitions and tell me how often they switch from Sheik to Zelda, and especially how many people use Samus instead of Zero Suit Samus. Lots of people said Smash 4 is anti-competitive, but this was a decision that benefited that crowd more than anyone.
            2. I should have elaborated. Her fs already sucked, and only made visual sense in the context of her putting her suit on. And aside from the mechanic of switching models, there is no reason why her beam should destroy her suit, either. The ability to cancel the transformation would have actually been a good idea, like if you hold B while the fs is happening she’ll go through with it but doesn’t actually change. However, from playing with friends and watching competitions, my conclusion is that most people would be canceling the transformation, so I think separating the characters was a better idea, and it also allows for ZSS to have a functionally better and more contextually appealing fs.
            3. I didn’t exactly say that was your view, nor did I really think it was because you’ve made no indication that it was, but I can see how it seemed that way because I did kind of hijack a response to your post to address something other people were saying just because they shared some of your views. This was not the right place to make that point, but as those same people I was referring to also read through the comments on this site, I made a lazy decision and took a shortcut.

          • MagcargoMan

            “Transformation characters being split has absolutely nothing to do with the 3DS’ technical limitations.”

            Welp… http://www.siliconera.com/2014/10/01/zelda-sheik-different-characters-super-smash-bros-3ds/

          • hallucinogenius

            Well, it looks like I have been proven wrong. The ice climbers thing makes sense to me, but this is harder for me to understand because I don’t get why having two different models linked like that would be so cpu-intensive, it’s not like they’re both being rendered at once, but that’s what the man says, so I gotta take it. Thanks for pointing that out.

        • MagcargoMan

          He claims that, but given how the 3DS couldn’t handle the Ice Climbers, it probably couldn’t handle transforming characters either.

          It’s clear he’s lied about changes for “balance reasons” before. Like how he claimed he made Olimar only have three pikmin instead of six for balance reasons, but when you see footage and see how the pikmin animate at like 15 fps, it’s clear Olimar has less pikmin because the 3DS couldn’t handle it.

  • Sounds to me like Soccereye is a quitter.

    You guys are game designers, work around the limitations.

    • shaw98

      I they add any more to the 3ds game then your 3ds would explode. You how much they said they pushed the system with trophys, modes, online support, characters, items and framerates?

    • asssskmeeee

      Oh, trust me. *Sakurai is far from being a quitter. He suffers from calcific tenditis on his right shoulder, causing him immense pain for every movement of the arm and he decided that he would still get the game done. Sakurai is no quitter.

    • jneal57

      Samurai can only do so much

    • Fernando Garcia

      Have you ever made a game?

  • DaniHibiki

    Ice Climbers need to be on WiiU Version.
    I Know he said both roster will be the same but Idk, I think IC are different case, because they could be WiiU exclusive due the 3DS limitation…
    Who will get mad? Non Ice Climbers users? I think thay dont care about them
    Ice Climbers Users? Is Better have them in one version than dont have them…
    (If the cut was about console limitations, that is an injustice)
    (It’s only my opinion Im very sad about their cut I become smasher for them)

    • TalesOfBS

      3DS is a priority for Nintendo, Wii U isn’t. That is why Smash is now on the 3DS too and it got better content.

      • shaw98

        That is not true. They planned it for wii u and 3ds before the wii u even launched. 3ds was not selling good at this time and the wii u has not even sold so they had the same priority for both with no bias for sales numbers.

        • TalesOfBS

          Sales number? What are you talking about?

          Nintendo always favored their portables because they can invest so little on the development and still charge prices near as high as triple A console games.

          • shaw98

            3ds game will be $20 less then the wii u game. Nintendo has always treated both with the same amount of love.

          • TalesOfBS

            $60 for a triple A console game. They still get high profits from those.
            $40 for a portable one with little investment.
            Do the maths.

          • kthanxyousuck

            $40 is a very reasonable price, not to mention that 3DS game prices for almost every game drop within 4-6 weeks after release unlike console games that you sometimes have to wait months or even years to drop in price.

          • Dan0709

            whatever the price is, Smash as always been seen and will be seen as a home console game, no matter what nintendo’s intentions are, the players are the ones who define that. Wii U has more potential than a 3ds, that cannot be denied, therefore we should get more content or else it would be unfair just because of their “attempt” to bring it into a portable console as well this time. That’s why I think DLC will happen (wheter its for Ice climbers or not, idc about them, but i care about characters like mewtwo or wolf that are from more important franchises, and of course new characters to build more hype for the dlc) and it will happen in case the Wii U version gets really affected by the limitations of the 3ds version, which it WILL most likely a this point unless the wii U version proves to have already more content that can be patched into the 3ds. Sakurai took a huge risk by trying to have the game into 3ds, that is a fact.

          • Dan0709

            whatever the price is, Smash as always been seen and will be seen as a home console game, no matter what nintendo’s intentions are, the players are the ones who define that. Wii U has more potential than a 3ds, that cannot be denied, therefore we should get more content or else it would be unfair just because of their “attempt” to bring it into a portable console as well this time. That’s why I think DLC will happen (wheter its for Ice climbers or not, idc about them, but i care about characters like mewtwo or wolf that are from more important franchises, and of course new characters to build more hype for the dlc) and it will happen in case the Wii U version gets really affected by the limitations of the 3ds version, which it WILL most likely a this point unless the wii U version proves to have already more content that can be patched into the 3ds. Sakurai took a huge risk by trying to have the game into 3ds, that is a fact.

          • Granpapá Oso

            The DLC will be for both the Wii U and 3DS because if you see the Character selection screen with all characters unlocked in the 3DS version it doesn’t make sense that Shulk (a first party character) is in the bottom row with the third party characters when there’s a space left in the row above.

          • Dan0709

            Exactly 🙂 in fact look at this picture (it’s about a rumor leak but dont pay attention to it, just look how the rows can be rearranged easily for 4 more characters to fit in perfectly, as an example of course) http://38.media.tumblr.com/ec97cea4cac4106eb67a722f8209737b/tumblr_nbsz8xegjC1rc47rso1_1280.gif
            DLC should happen and it would perfectly benefit both versions ^^

          • Granpapá Oso

            Yes, exactly like that image, and I would love to have a Rhythm heaven character and also Mewtwo to return.

            And the Sneaky spirit is featured as an enemy in Smash Run, so it makes sense that a character from Rhythm Heaven would appear considering it’s the only enemy in Smash Run from a series with no reps in Smash:
            http://www.ssbwiki.com/Sneaky_Spirit

          • Granpapá Oso

            Yes, exactly like that image, and I would love to have a Rhythm heaven character and also Mewtwo to return.

            And the Sneaky spirit is featured as an enemy in Smash Run, so it makes sense that a character from Rhythm Heaven would appear considering it’s the only enemy in Smash Run from a series with no reps in Smash:
            http://www.ssbwiki.com/Sneaky_Spirit

          • kthanxyousuck

            It will be seen by a console game for people who are longtime fans of the series. The last smash game was 6 years ago. There’s a whole lot of new fans to introduce to the series now (especially children who are more likely to have a 3DS over a Wii U)

          • Dan0709

            If i have children in 10 more years i will make sure they love old games lol altho i know what you mean, some things can only be appreciated while growing side by side with them :/ I can’t believe it’s been more than 8 years since i played the N64 one

          • TalesOfBS

            I don’t think they will bring new characters with DLC.

          • TalesOfBS

            I don’t think they will bring new characters with DLC.

          • hallucinogenius

            I think after a few years they’re bound to add some sweet dlc.

          • TalesOfBS

            Nintendo games never drop in price.

          • kthanxyousuck

            I said 3DS games, not nintendo games.

          • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

            1 million + people played Xenoblade chronicles

            and if people play the prequel they might buy a wii u for the sequel

          • hallucinogenius

            It took them a year to remaster an in-house game, if they did the same with Xenoblade, both versions would launch almost simultaneously, so unless they planned on packing it in with X this wouldn’t make much sense.
            Edit: I think it was more like 6 months, but my point stands.

          • Granpapá Oso

            Not to mention the original Xenoblade is already a pretty big game, it would take a lot of time to remake it or even to just HD enhance every model, texture, etc.

            Also Xenoblade Chronicles X already looks better than the original with the ability to make your own character, a world more than 5 times bigger, those flying mechas that transform into vehicles and 4 player online co-op with chat, I doubt most people would like to buy both games for the same price.

          • TalesOfBS

            They wasted a year because they were still learning how to use the hardware. Aonuma himself said that.
            Also, Wind Waker is not a simple remaster, it is almost a remake. The engine
            was completely reworked to make use of the better hardware, just like
            Ocarina 3D.

          • kthanxyousuck

            If they wanted Wii U owners to have the first game so bad, they would just boxed the sequel with Wii versions of the game.

          • TalesOfBS

            …What?

          • hallucinogenius

            But if you want to play Xenoblade Chronicles on your Wii U, you can just play the original. Sure, it won’t look as pretty, but there isn’t really much reason to spend all that time and money to remaster it if it’s already playable on the system. And I know many people loved the game, but it’s not something that’s going to move a lot of console units, so I don’t think it would be a worthy investment.

          • Guest

            Yes, people can just play the original for Wii on their Wii U, it’s too soon to remake/remaster it, it was one of the last Nintendo games for the Wii and while NoA screwed up the release of the game in the American continent it’s not something that would bother Nintendo of Japan, as the game was a success over there.

      • Guest

        Actually both consoles are a priority for Nintendo, and the Wii U is the top priority, in 2015 there will be a first party Wii U game like each month.

        • TalesOfBS

          How? Games and release dates please.

          • Melatelo

            Oh come on! It’s Wii U that will be taking priority over 3DS nex year. Nintendo have made that very clear. How can you not see/believe this??

  • shaw98

    People may question the guy but this guy is put under the most stress then any other game developer. This guy has to deal with the biggest fan bases all at the same time and tries to keep everyone into consideration. If he could not add the ice climbers then I understand. He has done so much for us and I think he deserves our thanks more often.

    • Andrew Bland

      No. I still STRONGLY believe that the Wii U version shouldn’t have to be gimped because of the 3DS. If the 3DS can’t handle the Icy Climbs, fine. But don’t let the Wii U suffer because of it. He already has different stages, and gave the 3DS version an extra mode. So it’s already not the same, and the 3DS version is actually superior because of smash run. The Wii U version is just a prettier version.

      • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

        The Wii U has its own modes and stuff.

        Not having a character in it doesnt make it gimped.

        Id prefer the 3DS version not get gimped by trying to make ice climbers work on it any way

        • MagcargoMan

          And I’d rather the Ice Climbers be Wii U-exclusive then have none at all.

      • Granpapá Oso

        3DS version only held back the potential for the Wii U version.

  • starwars360

    I just cannot wait for this game so much for Wii U version. I understood reason. Some of people need to understand and if we work as developers then we would know and understand how games works. 😛

  • I wonder in how many other ways the 3DS version limited the Wii U version?

    • TalesOfBS

      Better not think about it.

      • Granpapá Oso

        But Xenoblade Chronicles X is already much better with the ability to make your own character, a world more than 5 times bigger and also those sweet flying mechas that transform into vehicles plus it even supports 4 player online co-op with chat.

        • TalesOfBS

          But it deserved it, just like Wind Waker.
          Also it would help get some new players for X.

          • kthanxyousuck

            Xenoblade only came out 2 years ago (in NA, 4 in Japan). Wind Waker was worth making an HD port for. Xenoblade wasn’t when it’s a game that can be played through backward compatibility on the Wii U. They should put a version on the E-shop for fans who haven’t played the first but an HD remake/remaster is unnecessary.

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      It made shiek and zero suit samus their own characters

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      It made shiek and zero suit samus their own characters

      • Guest

        That actually was to make the game more balanced…

      • Don’t you think that could have been done without the 3DS version?

        • MagcargoMan

          Think about it, if the 3DS version can’t handle Ice Climbers, what makes you think it could handle switching two-characters-in-one on the fly during a match?

          • I’m not saying otherwise. My point is, separating those characters could have been done even if there was never a 3DS version.

          • Guest

            Because they’re not both being rendered on the same screen and they’re not two separate entities with one having an AI, have you played Melee or Brawl ? when you change characters the other one literally dissapears before the new one comes out, but the Ice Climbers are always together in the same screen and the second IC has his/her own AI, a 4 player match between only Ice Climbers is essentially 4 players and 4 CPUs, but a 4 player match with Zelda or Samus is just a regular 4 player match.

            Make the experiment in Brawl, play a 4 player match of ice climbers on Halberd using ”special brawl” options or items to the max, then play the same match but now with Zeldas and see which one lags the most.

          • MagcargoMan

            Did you even play Brawl? Did you see how it took longer than it should for characters to transform due to having to read from a dual-layered disc.

            If it takes that long for it change on a disc, what hope does a cartridge have?

          • MagcargoMan

            HA! I WAS RIGHT!

            http://www.siliconera.com/2014/10/01/zelda-sheik-different-characters-super-smash-bros-3ds/

            Sakurai confirmed transformations couldn’t be handled by the 3DS.

        • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

          Sure but the reason sakurai cut that mechanic is it lags on the 3DS too damn much

          • That is the most logical explanation. But he also mentioned in the Smash Direct that it was also so players could focus on a single character.

          • MagcargoMan

            Well it’s pretty clear that he lied now that he outright confirmed it was for 3DS limitations.

            Darn it, makes me resent the 3DS version more and more.

          • And THAT is why I don’t trust Sakurai with anything he says.

  • AuraGuyChris

    Smash on the 3DS is just pretty taxing on the system.

    There’s a reason why Japanese players can’t upload snapshots to Miiverse, why you can’t access the Internet Browser, and why the system always resets itself every time you turn off the demo.

    It’s a real shame the ICs were victims of the lack of power on the 3DS, and even if the New 3DS will fix the above issues, I don’t think my mains will get a chance to shine…

    • I am no fan of the Ice Climbers, but I hate the fact that a character was cut because of the 3DS’s limitations. Who knows how many creative ideas in general were discarded because the 3DS couldn’t handle them.

      • NintendoPSXTheSecond

        Ridley. Cut because he’s too big for 3DS.

      • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

        Pokemon trainer and Zero Suit Samus and Shiek.

        3DS and Wii U version have their own exclusive stuff besides characters so you’d best stop worrying about the 3DS holding it back.

        Nobody like a paranoid egg

        • It did hold it back. Even Sakurai admits that.

      • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

        Pokemon trainer and Zero Suit Samus and Shiek.

        3DS and Wii U version have their own exclusive stuff besides characters so you’d best stop worrying about the 3DS holding it back.

        Nobody like a paranoid egg

      • Granpapá Oso

        Also think about how much more content the game would have if they just focused on the Wii U version instead of developing both.

  • Jeremy Wayne Humble

    This makes me feel better. Sure, I wanted Ice Climbers. I don’t use them but I know there are people who do! And I do know that both games are going to have the same roster. Maybe he just ran out of room more than anything. I think the 3DS may be able to handle the 8 characters on screen at 60 FPS if it was called for. Who know though right? We’ll have to see later!

    But it would be awesome for DLC still, that is if the system really can handle them and he just ran out of space.

  • kthanxyousuck

    I don’t get why they think people would be offended by the Wii U having a slightly bigger or different roster. There’s tons of characters in the 3DS version. Would players have really caused a fuss about he Wii U version having 4-5 extra? I wouldn’t.

    • MagcargoMan

      I agree that it shouldn’t matter if the Ice Climbers are Wii U-exclusive, because technical reasons. But making characters exclusive to 3DS just because their game was is dumb; it’s bad enough we have exclusive stages. I’d much rather enjoy playing as Robin on the big screen.

  • Dan0709

    There should have never been a 3ds version, it will only damage the wii u version….god i hope DLC happens so that the wii u version keeps being superior in every term possible and we get more content.

    • kthanxyousuck

      There’s nothing wrong with the 3DS having it’s own version. The problem is developers who want the games to be identical for no real reason.

      • Dan0709

        That i agree completly. I even wonder if the Wii u version should have come first, and then they could have took a few more months to make the 3ds version work almost as good without many differences :/

        • kthanxyousuck

          I really don’t understand Nintendo’s drive for identical versions if they are hoping for people to double dip and buy both copies. They didn’t mind it for the stages, they could have done it for certain characters.

          • TalesOfBS

            And finally this.
            Agree 100%.

        • TalesOfBS

          And this.

      • TalesOfBS

        This.

    • Granpapá Oso

      I agree that if they had only focused in one version, the Wii U version, the game would have been even better, Ice Climbers and Wolf probably wouldn’t have been cut and maybe Mewtwo would be back, they would have had more time to develop the game, meaning more content, and if the Smash Run mode had been for the Wii U version you could play locally in split-screen like in Kirby Air Ride and probably even online.

      • kthanxyousuck

        And they would have sold way less and exposed it to a much smaller audience.

        As a 3DS only owner, I’m happy so the unhappy “it should have been for us only” Wii U owners can continue to complain, but you’ll buy the game anyway.

        • Granpapá Oso

          Yes, I know they care about the money, so they have to release it too on the console with most users.

        • Granpapá Oso

          Yes, I know they care about the money, so they have to release it too on the console with most users.

        • Dan0709

          well sure less because now smash 4 is know to be 2 games for 2 different consoles, but if we forget the fact that the 3ds ever existed, this smash bros game would have sold the same good as every other did in the past. Your pessimism can’t deny that no matter how hard you try to put the wii u version in such a low position.

        • Dan0709

          well sure less because now smash 4 is know to be 2 games for 2 different consoles, but if we forget the fact that the 3ds ever existed, this smash bros game would have sold the same good as every other did in the past. Your pessimism can’t deny that no matter how hard you try to put the wii u version in such a low position.

          • Granpapá Oso

            Had Smash 4 been only for the Wii U it would have helped enormously to rise up the Wii U’s install base.

          • kthanxyousuck

            There’s no guarantee of that. People said the same about Mario Kart 8 and that is much more casual game than this is. There is no 1 game hat will convince people to buy a system if they’re truly not interested in it.

          • Dan0709

            you are right, there is no 1 game, there are more than 1 , now, in 2015, and way beyond. If we stick to the actual and past games the wii u has and had, we are not getting ANYWHERE with this conversation.

          • kthanxyousuck

            But you’re assuming 3DS players would go buy a Wii U for Smash if it were exclusive and I’m telling you there’s no guarantee that would have happened. There’s a possibility some of that 1+ million that bought Smash four days ago would have ignored the Wii U version.

          • Dan0709

            i’m not assuming 3ds players will buy a wii u, i’m assuming the wii u version will or at least should attract the same (if not even more) population to play it, wheter its part of the 3ds players or only wii u players (or both lol).

          • Granpapá Oso

            Maybe not all of them but a good number yes, Smash is one of the biggest franchises in the gaming industry and all of it’s iterations are always eagerly anticipated.

          • Dan0709

            lol just look at how ppl orgasmed about the damn demo…..i was like “yo….chill….it’s just the demo…..you will get the full game in early october….no need to sell your virginity” XD

          • kthanxyousuck

            It is and until now it’s been a console game right? So long time die hard fans wouldn’t be interested in the 3DS version when they know it is better suited for Wii U. So there’s a chance that those who bought the 3DS are new to the series or just casual players who don’t mind the handheld experience or were planning to buy both versions from the start.

            Only long time fans of the series would have been guaranteed to buy it on any system it came out on. Other fans are less predictable.

          • Granpapá Oso

            Or they don’t have the money to buy both so they just buy the cheaper version, not everybody is willing to buy both versions so they will probably just settle for the one that is cheaper and comes out first.

          • Granpapá Oso

            You just proved my point with your statement, a lot of people who already own a 3DS will think: why buy the console when I can get the handheld version which has the same characters plus a exclusive mode and it’s 20 bucks cheaper ?
            Had it been a Wii U exclusive it would have helped the console’s sales because software drives hardware, and like you said just one game won’t convince people, but there’s the Super mario 3D world + Nintendo land and the Mario kart 8 + Nintendo land bundle coming, one of those bundles + the new smash bros would be a great deal.

            You have to admit that the 3DS version only damages the Wii U’s sales and it’s holding it back, they had to cut the Ice climbers just because of the 3DS version, if it wasn’t for the 3DS they also would have had more development time to add more content, the 3DS version only held back Smash 4.

          • Granpapá Oso

            You just proved my point with your statement, a lot of people who already own a 3DS will think: why buy the console when I can get the handheld version which has the same characters plus a exclusive mode and it’s 20 bucks cheaper ?
            Had it been a Wii U exclusive it would have helped the console’s sales because software drives hardware, and like you said just one game won’t convince people, but there’s the Super mario 3D world + Nintendo land and the Mario kart 8 + Nintendo land bundle coming, one of those bundles + the new smash bros would be a great deal.

            You have to admit that the 3DS version only damages the Wii U’s sales and it’s holding it back, they had to cut the Ice climbers just because of the 3DS version, if it wasn’t for the 3DS they also would have had more development time to add more content, the 3DS version only held back Smash 4.

          • TalesOfBS

            Smash bundle. Would have sold a lot.

          • Granpapá Oso

            Isn’t there a Smash bundle coming that includes the Gamecube controller adapter and a special smash bros themed gamecube controller ?

          • Dan0709

            wow that sounds interesting right there…..my wallet is bleeding already lol

          • TalesOfBS

            I mean a Wii U + game bundle.
            They got only a Gamecube Controller + Adapter + Game bundle that goes for $99.
            The other bundle is Game + 3 Amiibos for $99 too.

            If Nintendo want to move consoles, then they should make a serious bundle like Wii U + custom Gamepad + Game for $360. Maybe even include a Amiibo. People would head jump on it for sure.

            I would buy another Wii U for a Smash Gamepad.

          • hallucinogenius

            That right there is a splendid idea and I have no idea why they haven’t done that. Maybe they’ll announce something of the sort after the 3DS version launches, but I’m not holding my breath.

          • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

            Nintendo doesnt care about 3DS owners buying a Wii U really.

            They want to sell 3DS and Wii U’s and smash will always drive users to both their platforms to sell other games, controllers, amiibo,accessories, and gamecube adapters 😛

            They only want to sell 3.9 million Wii U’s this year. and then clear out their 3DS stock to introduce the new Wii U

          • TalesOfBS

            More like, Nintendo doesn’t care about people buying a Wii U.

          • Guest

            introduce the new Wii U ? it’s pretty early to introduce a new console you know…

          • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

            Nintendo doesnt care about 3DS owners buying a Wii U really.

            They want to sell 3DS and Wii U’s and smash will always drive users to both their platforms to sell other games, controllers, amiibo,accessories, and gamecube adapters 😛

            They only want to sell 3.9 million Wii U’s this year. and then clear out their 3DS stock to introduce the new Wii U

          • kthanxyousuck

            I didn’t say 3DS owners wouldn’t buy a Wii U. Some can’t afford a Wii U, some don’t play console games at all and some don’t want two systems from the same company. Some wouldn’t get a Wii U even for Smash Brothers. There’s no guarantee people would have been flocking to get Wii U’s just to get Smash. Long time fans yes, newer fans no.

            The last Smash game was 6 years ago and I’m sure there are a lot of people who will be playing this game for the first time.

            You have to understand, some people don’t want a Wii U period. No matter how many awesome games it has. Let’s reverse the situation. If Smash was a 3DS only game would you have bought a 3DS to play it?

          • kthanxyousuck

            I didn’t say 3DS owners wouldn’t buy a Wii U. Some can’t afford a Wii U, some don’t play console games at all and some don’t want two systems from the same company. Some wouldn’t get a Wii U even for Smash Brothers. There’s no guarantee people would have been flocking to get Wii U’s just to get Smash. Long time fans yes, newer fans no.

            The last Smash game was 6 years ago and I’m sure there are a lot of people who will be playing this game for the first time.

            You have to understand, some people don’t want a Wii U period. No matter how many awesome games it has. Let’s reverse the situation. If Smash was a 3DS only game would you have bought a 3DS to play it?

          • Granpapá Oso

            Yes, I would have bought it, Smash Bros is like an incentive, you don’t buy a Wii U or 3DS just for that game, but it’s a good incentive to get that game and then get the other great games available for the console, like Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2, etc on Wii U, or Kid Icarus: uprising, A Link between worlds, etc on 3DS.

            And of course had it been exclusive for the Wii U it would have helped to sell more consoles, like Mario Kart 8 did, if it’s also available for the 3DS then some people will just settle for that one because it’s cheaper and it came out first, but we’re deviating from the main problem which is that the 3DS version only held back the potential of the Wii U version, it’s not only a sales issue but an issue of game content.

          • kthanxyousuck

            If you think about it that way, wouldn’t that mean the 3DS was the priority system and the one they had in mind when developing the game? If there was no Wii U at all, seems like this game still would have existed for the 3DS either way.

          • Granpapá Oso

            The game would exist because there’s always a Smash game each generation and the 3DS isn’t the priority system, that’s why trailers only focus on the Wii U version and if you go to the official website the character’s pages are mostly Wii U pics and only 2 or 1 3DS version pics, also most Pic of the days are of the Wii U version and they had to cut a lot of music, assist trophies and pokemons just so they could have the same number of playable characters because of the limited memory of the 3DS, not to mention that most of the 3DS version’s stages are old stages from Melee/Brawl and most of the New stages are practically just flat 2D images that seem taken out of Smash Flash, you can tell they didn’t put much effort into them, even the 3DS version of Gaur plains looks worse than Dreamland on the N64.

          • kthanxyousuck

            You’re proving my point that the only people who bought it on 3DS, specifically wanted the 3DS version because there are no advantages to this version. So then you have nothing to worry about. Us 3DS gamers will enjoy our inferior yet existent copy.

          • Granpapá Oso

            Actually lots of people choose the 3DS version over the Wii U one, what’s important about a Smash game is the roster same way as the tracks are the important aspect of a Mario Kart game, if they have the same roster but cheaper then why buy the HD version ? that’s exactly what a lot of people is thinking, and the 3DS version not only hurts sales of the Wii U but also affected the potential the HD version had for more content.

          • kthanxyousuck

            But you said Smash was only incentive to buy the Wii U because it has other great games and wasn’t the only reason.

            If someone bought the 3DS version of Smash over buying a Wii U, that tells me they have no interest in the other Wii U games out there and really had no plans on buying the system at all because this is the only game Wii U and 3DS share or they can’t afford a Wii U.

          • hallucinogenius

            I agree that the 3DS version held it back slightly, but I think the extent is exaggerated. They didn’t simply split the Smash team in half to do both versions; because there are two versions, they had a lot more employees working on it than if it was just the one, so development time and focus was only slightly affected. Add for sales, the game well sell extremely well. It being available on the 3DS only marginally detracts from the sales of the Wii U version, and would otherwise miss out on millions of potential buyers who don’t and won’t have a Wii U regardless of Smash. If it wasn’t for Ice Climbers exclusion we wouldn’t even be talking about this. It’s most likely true that there would have been a few more characters if they only focused on one version, and it is disappointing, and while I understand their reasoning I do think they shouldn’t sacrifice those characters just because the lesser system can’t handle it (something I strongly hope they will rectify with future updates/dlc). Ultimately, though, if that’s the trade-off, I’ll gladly accept it. I am extremely excited to play Smash on the go and have impromptu tourneys when I’m out or at school, and am eager to purchase both the handheld and console versions.

          • TalesOfBS

            MK8 moved a lot of Wii Us for weeks. Now Smash won’t be able to do the same only because of the 3DS version.

          • hallucinogenius

            Everyone here is strongly overstating the amount of sales the 3DS version could potentially steal from the Wii U. The effect will be marginal, the game will still sell exceptionally well for a long time, and the effect on Wii U sales will still resemble Mario Kart. The people choosing one version over the other are a minority (rather than choosing only one version because they don’t have the other console and wouldn’t plan on getting it even if it was an exclusive), especially when you’re talking about people deciding to spend $300+ on a new console. The content of the game is a better argument, but as stated above this game already had more content than any previous game and more characters than we were promised. Ice Climbers are the only thing missing that had been stated as being due to the 3DS limitations, and there’s no guarantee there be much more content if it was exclusive, it probably would’ve just launched sooner.

          • MagcargoMan

            “There’s no guarantee of that.”

            Except for the loads of people that have said they aren’t getting a Wii U because they can just play Smash on their 3DS.

          • Dan0709

            Exactly my point, not to mention we are getting bayonetta 1 and 2 together, we have mario kart 8, we get hyrule warriors very soon, we will get a new amazing zelda next year, etc etc. Wii U has already plans to sell way better 2014-2015.

          • kthanxyousuck

            I’m not putting the Wii U in a low position. I think it’s a great console. Unfortunately I don’t have $400 to drop on it and some games right now. But I do have $40 for smash and will enjoy it immensely.

          • Dan0709

            That’s true and completly fine, and a lof of ppl might be your case as well. But just as there will be a lot of ppl like my case, who dont really feel interested in 3ds games but in the upcoming wii u games such as bayonetta, smash, zelda, and many others. The chances of the wii u version selling are the same as good. Specially for those who already have a Wii U or can actually get one, i barely got mine with luck lol.

        • MagcargoMan

          More people would buy a Wii U for Smash Bros. This game was the perfect for selling Wii Us, and they screwed up big time.

          Also, stop using apologist fail logic. Just because someone expresses dislike for a part of a game doesn’t mean they don’t want to buy something.

      • kthanxyousuck

        And they would have sold way less and exposed it to a much smaller audience.

        As a 3DS only owner, I’m happy so the unhappy “it should have been for us only” Wii U owners can continue to complain, but you’ll buy the game anyway.

    • Raheem The Dream

      New comers of characters for SMASH rosters on Wii U version, who I truly wanted to be confirmed in SMASH rosters slot are Shantae, Risky Boots, Rotty Tops, Sky and Bolo from Shantae series, Izuna The Unemployed Ninja with her two sisters: Shino & Shizune, especially for fans & mine sakes Geno from Super Mario RPG, Manic & Sonia The Hedgehogs as alternatives skin of Sonic The Hedgehog, début Ninten from Earthbound Zero as an alternative skin of Ness, Goemon and Yae from Legend of the Mystical Ninja series, Neku Sakuraba from The World Ends with You series, Sora from Kingdom Hearts series, Klonoa from Klonoa series, Krystal from StarFox series, Dixie-Kong from Donkey Kong series, Princess Daisy as an alternative skin of Princess Peach, Mewtwo from Pokemon series and finally The lovely, Bayonetta as DLC playable characters for SMASH rosters slot in time to be confirmed by Masahiro Sakurai and hopefully he’ll do whatever that he can develop them in SMASH 4 Wii U version for us to be importantly happy and gives him a major biggest Thx-you!

  • Kenshin0011

    Uhh, I smell bs. You guys are interpreting this wrong. He didn’t mean it was impossible, just kinda hard and given that 99% are okay with them out the team just scrapped it and saved themselves the trouble.

    • Dan0709

      I believe that with a good patch/dlc in the future or when the wii u version comes out, they could fix that problem and make them happen. Just saying. I’m just guessing it’s because they didn’t have the time to make them work properly so they didn’t risk it, but they could if they took their time :/

    • Dan0709

      I believe that with a good patch/dlc in the future or when the wii u version comes out, they could fix that problem and make them happen. Just saying. I’m just guessing it’s because they didn’t have the time to make them work properly so they didn’t risk it, but they could if they took their time :/

      • Guest

        Maybe the New 3DS could, but the regular 3DS can’t handle them because of it’s processing power.

      • Guest

        Maybe the New 3DS could, but the regular 3DS can’t handle them because of it’s processing power.

        • Dan0709

          “There wasn’t as high a priority given to series that are unlikely to have another installment at this time.”
          I think that was the real reason :’P they rather brought Duck hunt as another classic game and replaced the ice climbers because they weren’t really that popular or getting anything new (meaning that maybe duck hunt might not be in smash 5, but that’s just useless future speculation of mine of course). Oh who knows what sakurai was really thinking really.

          • Granpapá Oso

            Duck Hunt should be back for the next Smash game but please with his classic 8-bit laugh.

          • Dan0709

            Totally AGREED.

          • hallucinogenius

            He does his laugh as a taunt, although he’s lying down, but he enters the battle behind an 8-bit patch of grass grabbing the duck.

          • Granpapá Oso

            But his laugh sounds like Muttley’s, they should have used his original 8bit laugh.
            http://cyclingapprentice.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/muttley_gq_9mar11_rex_b.jpg

          • hallucinogenius

            Good call on Muttley lol

    • Nookling

      I don’t think that many were okay with it. More like 20% are okay with it. MAYBE.

      • hallucinogenius

        Way more than 20%. 99% was an exaggeration, but most people don’t care about Ice Climbers.

      • kthanxyousuck

        You will so more people complain about something than those that are content with something.

        In other words, people who are outraged are more inclined to comment than those who don’t care about the exclusion. You also have to consider how many fans are on gaming sites and even know about this in the first place.

    • MagcargoMan

      Speak for yourself.

  • Raheem The Dream

    New comers of characters for SMASH rosters on Wii U version, who I truly wanted to be confirmed in SMASH rosters slot are Shantae, Risky Boots, Rotty Tops, Sky and Bolo from Shantae series, Izuna The Unemployed Ninja with her two sisters: Shino & Shizune, especially for fans & mine sakes Geno from Super Mario RPG, Manic & Sonia The Hedgehogs as alternatives skin of Sonic The Hedgehog, début Ninten from Earthbound Zero as an alternative skin of Ness, Goemon and Yae from Legend of the Mystical Ninja series, Neku Sakuraba from The World Ends with You series, Sora from Kingdom Hearts series, Klonoa from Klonoa series, Krystal from StarFox series, Dixie-Kong from Donkey Kong series, Princess Daisy as an alternative skin of Princess Peach, Mewtwo from Pokemon series and finally The lovely, Bayonetta as DLC playable characters for SMASH rosters slot in time to be confirmed by Masahiro Sakurai and hopefully he’ll do whatever that he can develop them in SMASH 4 Wii U version for us to be importantly happy and gives him a major biggest Thx-you.

  • Raheem The Dream

    New comers of characters for SMASH rosters on Wii U version, who I truly wanted to be confirmed in SMASH rosters slot are Shantae, Risky Boots, Rotty Tops, Sky and Bolo from Shantae series, Izuna The Unemployed Ninja with her two sisters: Shino & Shizune, especially for fans & mine sakes Geno from Super Mario RPG, Manic & Sonia The Hedgehogs as alternatives skin of Sonic The Hedgehog, début Ninten from Earthbound Zero as an alternative skin of Ness, Goemon and Yae from Legend of the Mystical Ninja series, Neku Sakuraba from The World Ends with You series, Sora from Kingdom Hearts series, Klonoa from Klonoa series, Krystal from StarFox series, Dixie-Kong from Donkey Kong series, Princess Daisy as an alternative skin of Princess Peach, Mewtwo from Pokemon series and finally The lovely, Bayonetta as DLC playable characters for SMASH rosters slot in time to be confirmed by Masahiro Sakurai and hopefully he’ll do whatever that he can develop them in SMASH 4 Wii U version for us to be importantly happy and gives him a major biggest Thx-you.

    • Dan0709

      my god that’s a huge list lol but yeah i’m hoping we get something really good on the wii u or some dlc or both things in the end lol

      P.D: i actually had the same idea about Sora from KH 😛

      • Raheem The Dream

        Thx-you, very much and please share this information about my personal requestments of adding DLC playable characters with your friends and/or anybody on different sites to spread this perfection rumor that makes a major rumors!

    • hallucinogenius

      You have a bunch of cool ideas, but Bayonetta really should’ve been in this game. Not only would she fit in perfectly, but they’re also heavily promoting their self-funded new Bayonetta game. She does share a striking resemblance with Zero Suit Samus…

      • Raheem The Dream

        Thx-you for the good complement and please share my personal ideas about from yesterday to your friends and anybody else who you know to represent this information on the biggest league rumors there is, NOW!

      • Guest

        She could have been included, only with no nakedness and if she uses her guns then they would have to shoot magic bullets or something to keep the Teen rating.

        • hallucinogenius

          Although I’d say that ZSS alt costume is already more scanty than much of what Bayonetta wears.

  • Andrew Bland

    I knew this was a bad idea from the start when they announced it was coming to the 3DS. If he’s having problem trying to make things work on the 3DS version, fine, but don’t let the Wii U version suffer. The Wii U version should be the 3DS’s content and more. There’s no reason why Smash Run, those stages, and Ice Climbers are being excluded from Wii U. If it can handle it, include it. I normally don’t support DLC, but I REALLY hope this game has it and brings back old characters and stages. Even if they’re clones.

    • Dan0709

      That’s exactly why i think the wii u version should have come first and then take their time to release the 3ds version the best way possible….. Dunno what were they thinking. DLC better happens or at least lets get a wii u version with more content and then patch a dlc to the 3ds version so that it doesnt stand behind from the wii u version too much. I think they gave a wrong order of priorities regarding which version dedicate more time to work on. 3ds needs more work to explode the true potential it has, or at least the possibilities and ideas they could’ve had or have.

    • Granpapá Oso

      Yes, the 3DS version is holding back the potential of the Wii U version, had they only focused on the Wii U version it would have way more content, and Smash Run on the Wii U version would have been perfect with 4 player local split-screen (like air ride on the gamecube) and plus with online.

      • hallucinogenius

        Although, we still don’t really know what kind of single-player experience the Wii U will offer… It could potentially make Smash Run look like a consolation.

  • Jimmy Wilson

    There are way too many cry babies today

    • MagcargoMan

      Oh shut up you apologist.

  • Bruce Wayne

    Guess i’ma just buy the Wii U version and call it a day, unless it gets delayed and/or doesn’t have anything new but stages and graphics. I want stage builder, adventure mode(melee style), special brawl, stickers, and porn.

    • Guest

      The stage builder needs to be back, and I hope they add breakable blocks to the stage builder, that was my main complain with Brawl’s stage builder.

  • Guest

    Wii U Rumor

  • Guest

    Rumor

    • Guest

      That’s a nice way to make Ridley playable without having to bastardize him making him about Charizard’s size.

  • Jimmy Wilson
  • ★Star™Lee★

    I’m truly sorry for you Ice Climber lovers out there, but we can do without them (Also, they may return in the next smash. Look at Dr. Mario)

    Now, The Wii U Version will still have more modes and such, and lets not forget about the Wii U Version Rumor. The Wii U Version will still sell. All of Sakurai’s focus is now put into the Wii U Version. Now, we just have to play the waiting game, waiting for the Wii U’s modes.

    We can do this together, it’s not the end of the world.

  • Sergeant Sunflower

    If Ice Climbers were to be DLC or something, maybe you should play as just one of them so the 3DS can handle them. And costume-wise, you can switch between Popo and Nana.

    • Guest

      Actually when Sakurai said that they were having trouble making the Ice climbers work in the 3DS version I thought exactly that, besides that’s the way it was in their original game, you played as one, not both, and that way you could balance them better and they wouldn’t be able to do that bloody infinite grab.

  • Adrian Brown

    What if they release IC as DLC for Wii U and New 3DS? Then there will be another reason to move to the new console.

  • Guest

    The Ice Climbers look so innocent and Cute. You think they wont even hurt a fly right.
    Well just check out this video http://www.linkbucks.com/AIQc0

  • Wilson Velez

    The Ice Climbers look so innocent and Cute. You think they wont even hurt a fly right.
    Well just check out this video http://www.linkbucks.com/AIQc0

  • Heather Leebert

    Why couldn’t he make it just one Ice Climber, give him/her a new up special like riding the condor and have 4 of the skins be Nana and the other 4 Popo like with Olimar/Alph and Bowser Jr. And the Koopalings?

    • Guest

      He could, he just didn’t care, also it makes sense because that’s the way it was in the original Ice climber game, you played as one, not both of them, and it would help to balance them better plus they wouldn’t be able to do that bloody infinite grab.

      • hallucinogenius

        Agreed, but if they’d completely revamped Ice Climbers just to include them and still left Ganondorf as a C.Falcon clone I would have been super tight.

  • TetsuwanAtomu

    Sakurai and Namco Bandai is able to get the Ice Climbers running on the Wii U version just fine, that must mean that they’ll show up right? Oh wait, Sakurai has this philosophy that the Wii U version must have the exact same roster as the 3DS version and any deviation is a terrible idea worthy of damnation. Unfortunately, the 3DS version is not able to handle the Ice Climbers. However, this would make for a good idea to make Ice Climbers a Wii U exclusive because characters are a huge thing and major exclusives like characters would help to sell not only copies of Super Smash Bros. Wii U but also Wii U consoles, both of which desperately needs every sale they get. But because Sakurai is so stubborn about his same roster philosophy for the 3DS & Wii U version, he decides to cut Ice Climbers all together from both versions. He then haphazardly justifies this with saying that recency was a justification in cutting Ice Climbers, despite the fact that numerous characters present in the game, including newcomers Mega Man and Duck Hunt Dog, contradicts this statement.

    This is the worst character decision to have ever been made, bar none. Sakurai basically told us that he wasted money and time only to cut Ice Climbers, a two-time fan favorite characters on both versions (and the Wii U versions works with them) and thinks that a justification based on something that has been contradicted numerous times will satisfy the hundreds of thousands of Ice Climbers fans who’ve just lost their main. Most of all, Sakurai cut away what could have been a major selling point for not only Super Smash Bros. Wii U, but also the Wii U console itself.

    Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

    • Granpapá Oso

      Exclusive characters are the key to making the Wii U version sell more, if it had like 10 unique characters (as in not clones) it would sell much more than just with that ”play as the bosses” rumour that’s going on.

      • TetsuwanAtomu

        Exactly. If Sakurai thinks that stage boss is going to save the Wii U’s game sales, let alone help boost console sales, he’s going to be up for a rude awakening when he realized that the one thing that could have gotten doubters to double dip on the Wii U is gone.

        I never believed we were going to get Wii U exclusive characters, but this was their chance to score a few ten thousands more copy and they’ve now lost it.

    • Very well said.

  • kthanxyousuck

    What Wii U owners think Gamers will do:
    3DS Gamers: NEVER GONNA BUY A CONSOLE NOW SUCKERS

    Potential Wii U buyers (with or without 3DS) Whoa Super Smash Bros for Wii U? I gotta have that. Now I’m definitely getting a Wii U. I’ll also get Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart, Zelda U, Hyrule Warriors…..wait….3DS has a Smash Bros game coming?! And it’s out 6 weeks earlier? Screw that! Who needs HD, a big screen and all those other Wii U games I use to be interested in, I’ll just settle for this! FU WII U!

    What will actually happen:
    -3DS Gamers: Cool Smash 3DS. I don’t have a Wii U and I’m glad I don’t need one just to play this game.

    -Those considering buying Wii U (3DS owners): Super Smash Bros! Coming out on Wii U and 3DS. Screen is pretty small and sometimes my hand cramps. I have been pretty excited about the Wii U lineup, they had a great E3 showing. This one comes out first. I’ll buy it for 3DS and rebuy it when I get a Wii U.

    -Current Wii U and 3DS Owners: GETTING BOTH FTW!!!! or Wii U is superior version, I’ll wait

    -Potential Wii U buyers (No 3DS): I’m definitely getting a Wii U in time for this!

    • Guest

      You state it like it was a fact when it’s clearly just an assumption from your part, and clearly derived from your own way of thinking, not everybody thinks the same way you do, there is actually people that were planning on getting a Wii U for a new Smash game but will settle now for the 3DS version and wait for a new Zelda to get the console, I know it because it’s people I know in real life and some from online forums, I’m not just making a baseless assumption derived from my own way of thinking.

      • kthanxyousuck

        But you see what you said. They’ll wait for new Zelda. So they’re still buying the system correct? Does them buying it next June as opposed to November not make their console purchase valid? Does it not count?

        It’s not a baseless assumption. I too know people in each one of those categories I described. The main point was that there aren’t many situations in which a 3DS purchase means NO WII U purchase ever. 3DS may entice people to buy a Wii U a little later than they planned, but overall, if people wanted a Wii U they will get a Wii U.

  • Timic83

    does the article say anything about snake???

  • Melatelo

    I have no idea why this decision was made. You can’t just cut a classic veteran that many people love and used. Sure, it couldn’t work on the 3DS, but that’s no excuse why they couldn’t bring them back in the Wii U version..but hey, it’s all good guys cuz we got Dr.Mario!! (obvious sarcasm is obvious)

  • I wished there wasn’t a 3DS version. They could have concentrated on the Wii U version even more without restrictions due to the 3DS. All the 3DS stages and modi in the Wii U version, still with the Ice Climbers.

  • SecretX

    Where did all these people came from?

  • Windstar

    Rosalina and Duckhunt are way cooler anyway. The real head-scratcher is Wolf being cut despite having a more varied moveset than Falco.

  • MagcargoMan

    I knew from the very beginning the 3DS version was gonna hold the Wii U version back, and this proof.

    What a stupid reason to cut the Ice Climbers. Having them be in one version is way better than not having them at all. Besides, the Wii U needs sales, and by the incredibly dumb move of releasing the 3DS version first it has already lost a lot of potential console sales, so having an extra character would have people be more likely to buy the Wii U version.

  • DannyRaisin4

    Would of rather wait till 2015 for my Ice Climbers

  • DannyRaisin4

    Would of rather wait till 2015 for my Ice Climbers

  • Guest

    I doubt you’ll trust me so take this with a grain of salt or just ignore it if you want:

    Smash Wii U has more stages and they’re more dynamic for example Castle Siege is back for Wii U meanwhile 3DS has simple flat 2D stages as you’ve seen that’s because Smash 3DS was rushed it was originally scheduled to be released a couple of months after the Wii U game

    There are more trophies, music and assists too along with a boss battle mode like in Smash Brawl

    There are special videos for each character for completing the classic arcade mode

    There are special trophies like in Smash Melee

    There is an unnanounced Mario stage which fans will love and it’s not an 8-bit Mario stage

    There’s a final destination mode even for the pac-land stage

    There is DLC coming

    -G.S.

    • Guest

      this comment is eerily disturbing considering it was made some hours before the pic of the day….

    • Guest

      Pokémon Stadium is back

      There is an opening movie which was ommited from Smash 3DS because of space

      I leave you a fun fact: Dunban and Riki were chosen for Shulk’s final smash because they were Mr. Sakurai’s party in Xenoblade

      -G.S.

  • hallucinogenius

    Yes, that could have been done, but I guess the real issue here is that neither of us is going to convince the other that removing transformation was or was not a good thing, although regarding the pkmn trainer it is a shame they removed him. In regards to Samus though, going by your logic, what should they have had happen to Mario after he fires a screenwide torrent of giant fireballs twice as wide as Samus’ beam? Also, Sheik doesn’t need justification, being a fan favorite and highly recognizable character, and perfectly fitting for Smash Bros gameplay. What they could have and should have done was add another character from the series because I think Zelda deserves another representative. But again, this is all opinion, and I don’t think either of us is going to convince the other.

    • MagcargoMan

      Mario is a magic word with all sorts of whimsical things, while Metroid is grounded in science fiction which usually follows some sort of rules (heck, it’s one of the few games that doesn’t let you even near lava without a special suit, unlike most games with lava where it’s safe unless you actually touch it). Not a good comparison. That’s like comparing The Legend of Zelda and Star Fox.

      And yes, she does. It’s not fair if a one-shot character gets in over more important characters from their series. It’s bad enough Jigglypuff gets in everytime when there are Pokemon far more relevant, popular and important.

      • hallucinogenius

        Please, don’t get me started on Jigglypuff, she should’ve stayed in 64.

        • MagcargoMan

          I know, right? What’s worse is it appears by now that Sakurai doesn’t plan on cutting her since she was in the original game. I mean, he hasn’t said it, but it must be the reason because she’s been irrelevant to Pokemon for two whole Smash games now.

          • hallucinogenius

            She hasn’t been relevant to anything since the Indigo league in the anime.


Related Game Info

Super Smash Bros. for Wii U boxart

Platform: 3DS
Genre: FIGHTING
Publisher: Nintendo
Developer: Nintendo
Release date: October 3rd 2014 (3DS), Nov. 21, 2014 (Wii U)
OWN IT: 36 [I own this game]
BEAT IT: 17 [I beat this game]
Buy now