Lords of Shadow producer believes the days of 2D Castlevania games are gone

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1 month ago by (@NE_Brian)
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David Cox, producer of the Castlevania: Lords of Shadows series, believes that the days of 2D Castlevania games are gone.

Cox told GamesTM this month that even though hardcore gamers would appreciate a new 2D Castlevania, “the reality is that it’s a very niche market and Konami really want this series to be mainstream again.” He wouldn’t rule out a new 2D title completely, though it wouldn’t come from MercurySteam.

You can find Cox’s full comments below.

I think those days are gone, yes. I think hardcore gamers would love to play another 2D Castlevania, but the reality is that it’s a very niche market and Konami really want this series to be mainstream again.

We took this direction in order to reach that bigger audience, otherwise we would have carried on with the 2D approach. That’s not to say I don’t think there will ever be another 2D game in the series, it might happen but just not from MercurySteam.

When you look at the future on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, I don’t think people want to play 2D games on those consoles. Core gamers may still want something like that, but there’s an expectation among the wider public for big, epic games.

Thanks to joclo for the tip.



  • Exposer

    Cox, shut the Heck up, many 2D games of CV got better scores than LoS or Los 2.

    • madbads

      but did they earned as much money? that’s whats all about.. and its sad, but no more good games.

      • Mark

        Why would Konami keep making games that didn’t earn as much?

        For nerd cred from the people not buying them?

        • Lamesy Watercorn

          Yes. There are these concepts called “customer goodwill” and “reputation” that companies must maintain parallel to massive amounts of cash. Companies stop having market appeal when nobody likes or respects them.

          • Mark

            If only companies could pay the bills with goodwill…

      • Jandkas

        Then by your argument the only games developers should make is games like Call of Duty.

        • Carlos

          Unfortunately that’s why they keep making COD, because they make money. The video game market is a business and it’s all about making money in the end. Whether we like it or not COD will be around until they stop making money.

          • Jandkas

            Just because something is inevitable doesn’t mean it should continue or be permissible.

          • Carlos

            I never said it should, but it’s going to happen whether we like it or not. Unless you can make the millions of COD player stop buying the games they’re going to keep making them.

          • http://gentlerobot.com/ Gentle Robot

            No, that’s only the definition of inevitable. What is so wrong and awful about mainstream shooters that they shouldn’t be permitted?

            If you don’t like a game, don’t buy it. That’s the end of your relationship right there. You can:
            A) Buy
            B) Don’t Buy
            C) Whine and Don’t Buy
            D) Shut up and make your own games

            What shouldn’t be permitted is someone being this snobby. The profit-driven industry brought you every game you ever bought and loved.

        • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

          They tried that. But they arent Call of Duty. So it doesnt work.

          *points at Resident Evil 6*

        • Niko Santos Tolentino

          Tell me which sells best COD or CV franchise? They make games that sells best not because they like that game. I mean you can make the games you want but the thing is who’s gonna finance it?

  • LordDisco

    Well, if they want to keep making mediocre or bad games, then they can be my guest. Otherwise, I’m awaiting that Castlevania game that is in the same vain as Shadow Complex and the new Strider. There is definitely a market for that genre, and MercurySteam needs to get their head out of the gutter and see that.

  • http://gentlerobot.com/ Gentle Robot

    He made a 2d castlevania and it sucked

  • superphillip32

    Perhaps MercurySteam’s lack of sales success with Mirror of Fate is a culprit to why he feels this way. Then again, that game wasn’t your typical 2D Castlevania, nor was it a game anyone really asked for. Fans like me want 2D sprites and a Metroid-style castle to explore, or a return to the classic formula.

    • Blitz

      I don’t understand why they can’t just make a side-scrolling Castlevania in the style of Symphony of the Night with 3D models. New Super Mario Bros controls just like a 2D Mario game and uses 3D environments.

      • Luis R Rodriguez

        Rondo of Blood PSP version has 3D models in a 2D style game. Also Mirror of Fate had that same feeling the prolem with MoF was the stupid story and that your character was used only for a portion of that story, also the castle being almost empty.

        • FutureFox

          And that all three characters operated in virtually the same way just different skins.

  • sonicfan1373

    That is a sad way of looking at it…but I cannot disagree.

    I do not know if it is just me, but I feel Konami has really faded away during the last decade. They made some of my favourite games in the 1990s along with many other games that others enjoyed. However, they do not seem to do any development anymore, it seems like the few games that they do publish now days are all outsourced to companies like MercurySteam.

  • http://www.senran-international.boards.net/ TwinTails

    Symphony of the Night and the subsequent handheld games is where the series peaked. Just another salty developer trying to make older fans feel bad for not liking his little disaster on the 3DS. -_-

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      Third parties not making the games people want to buy. Tsk tsk.

      Tis why Nintendo has no third party support unless you make games that appeal to their main audience

      • http://www.senran-international.boards.net/ TwinTails

        My point exactly, if people don’t want to buy it, it will fail to catch on. He of all people should know that since he wants to talk sales. I feel that same way about JRPGs on Microsoft platforms, every fanbase is different.

  • OlimacFTW

    God, how I hate that guy, He ruined Castlevania, and still, He is so arrogant to say that his 3d atrocities are better. How I miss Iga.

  • http://jocelynsamara.deviantart.com/gallery/27273884 LittleLynn

    I guess I won’t be playing any new Castlevania games then. I hated pretty much everything about Lords of Shadow, and could barely stomach the demo of Mirror of Fate.

    Back to replaying the classics, I suppose.

  • Ray Anthony Rivera

    I hate the Lord of Shadows series. It’s nothing compared to the roster of enemies of the previous Castlevania titles and the exploration inside the castle. The only enemy I can remember in LOS is the giant spider and the stupid chupacabra.

  • chrisredfield31

    He’s wrong. A properly designed Castlevania game can make it back to mainstream, the problem is that there’s no talent out there at the moment that can do that, and even then, Konami will never back it due to how risky it is.

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      Ganbarion and Pandora’s Tower exists

  • ehead

    This is a pretty sad outlook. Why can’t they develop both? 2D Castlevania similar to Soma’s titles for handhelds and 3D games on consoles. Probably outsource the 2D titles to competent devs… I don’t know, maybe Cellar Door Games?

  • Mark

    Hes 100% correct, ppl QQ’ing in here need to accept it

    • superphillip32

      Thanks for backing up your opinion maturely with some kind of information.

      • Mark

        Sales, you should check them out brah

  • Mark

    Jesus christ

  • Branden Thomas

    Hey here’s a better idea. Make a new IP if it’s not possible to maintain core elements of a series or just respect the series for what it is and understand that Castlevania doesn’t have to be THAT money maker. I mean heck doesn’t Konami make enough money off Pro Evo Soccer and Metal Gear Solid?

    I can’t even imagine what will happen to the inevitable Contra reboot. It’s going to be Bionic Commando all over again.

  • Blitz

    What is their obsession with changing the core dynamics of their games to fit mainstream trends? This is how we got RE6. It was COD with Zombies without regenerating health.

    This is exactly the kind of attitude the put Capcom in the financial position they’re in.

  • Windego

    So we’re now blaming the 2D era being over for a bad game’s failure? This guy is almost like the guy who makes the FFXIII games who is somehow convinced Lightning is the perfect woman.

  • bearmon2010

    No, I still enjoyed Castlevania 2D as much as LoS and LoS 2. They do not know what they are talking about.

    A 3D for Casltevania is a no no!

  • Aiddon

    and the Metroidvania’s will go down in history as groundbreaking classics while your boring, me-too titles will be a footnote at best. You’re nothing more than a hack, Cox, and you always will be

  • ronin4life

    “When you look at the future on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One”
    …well there’s your problem right there. To bad that’s the only future we have to look toward, since that is the one the industry has decided to limit itself to…

  • Pedro Gomez

    Shoot this man, please. He’s implying that 2D games can’t be big, epic games, direct this man to Rayman Legends and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze please…of course PS4 and Xbox One gamers don’t want good games, they want Hollywood-budget movies with a button press here and there. Konami, we need a new, 2D Castlevania with hand-drawn sprites, maybe in an oil painting style?

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      No.
      We need Ganbarion to make a 3D Castlevania

      • http://gentlerobot.com/ Gentle Robot

        Yeah, of all the 80s hit franchises, Castlevania is easily the least creative as far as intellectual property. Whips? Dracula? Castles? Gameloft made a Castlevania clone for DS and not a single lawsuit was filed. There’s nothing truly special about the Castlevania label.

        • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

          Practically every konami game is a ripoff(in the most literal sense)

          Seriously these guys put this out

          http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/DoctorLautrec.jpg

          Their 3DS output is beyond terrible

          • FutureFox

            ^ That’s genuinely very sad.

            Which is a shame because I think of when Silent Hill first came on the scene. They actually innovated the Survival Horror experience by adding the weird horror movie camera work. Plus the game had a nice twisted story element.

  • stealth20k

    Oh? so is that why DKR a 2d game is getting great scores and your sequel sucks?

    • Laer_HeiSeiRyuu

      Hey now. No need to be snippy.

  • http://lwiis64.deviantart.com/ L.A.C.

    They wanted Castlevania to be mainstream so bad that they went on and ripped off another mainstream game’s formula. Nice way to start Castlevania’s new chapter. *sarcasm*

  • blindexecutioner

    Too bad…

  • AtrusHB

    THERE IS A POINT WHERE THESE KINDS OF THINGS NEED TO STOP AND WE HAVE LONG SINCE PASSED IT

  • Alexander Enos

    “the reality is that it’s a very niche market and Konami really want this series to be mainstream again.”
    So they want it to be mediocre garbage?

  • Andrew Cannady

    Obviously he doesn’t know the Castlevania fan base. You can’t Copy God Of War game mechanics almost exactly and call it Castlevania. Lords of Shadows 1 is a horrible game and Mirror of Fate. I can’t comment on Lord of Shadows 2 but my buddy said it sucked, at least they made a PC version which should happen for Ground Zeros. God of War is it’s own game and better then LOS, I boycotted mirror of fate because no vita version. I was considering PC version until I saw the reviews. MercurySteam should stay away from Castlevania and I noticed the new game is being outsold by Max Payne 3 which came out years ago. It’s not even in the top 50 in the US or UK. Sad Ground Zeroes (#2 in the top #50 sales wise) huge disappointment and now they’re destroying Castlevania. Ground Zeroes I’m 88% and only played the game a little more than two hours, I beat the first mission in 20 minutes, I use to love Konami and wait for their games to come out but they’re going downhill fast, I waited so long for ground zeroes and got a huge disappointment. Please boycott LOS2.

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